Originally posted by The Great Galen
Doesnt matter if CIS is on/off, he loses regardless of the situation. It would take just a second for Superman 1M to reach SS and then its lights out. Honestly this fight is just a shit stomp in favor of Superman 1M...there isnt anything SS can do.
Yes. Because SS is known to be ridiculously slow and be KO'd with one strike in his Annihilation incarnation. How can I argue? I concede.
Originally posted by Enyalus
You need to read the arc again. Galactus only helps to heal the Surfer [b]after his battle with T&A. Surfer is the one who defeats them, without Galen's help. [/B]
You need to read the arc again and not take it out of context...lol SS defeating them. When you make blanket statments like that you make it sound like he"literally"defeated them which obviusly wasnt the case...oh and SS was going to get killed had Galen not bailed him out.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
You need to read the arc again and not take it out of context...lol SS defeating them. When you make blanket statments like that you make it sound like he"literally"defeated them which obviusly wasnt the case...oh and SS was going to get killed had Galen not bailed him out.
SS defeated T&A. There is something wrong with that statement, how?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Without CIS, Norrin drains the Super Sun dry - using it to amp himself - and then beats Supes 1M's weak ass (who can't even fly or use heat vision at that point).With CIS, Supes 1M completely dominates him.
Surfer has amped himself from the sun before. And is certainly capable of destroying one.
Don't see that happening. It's like attacking Galactus ship in an attempt to spite Surfer. All he's going to do is bring out the pissed off Grandpappy and get pwned. Supes 1M can blow out stars with his breath alone..and even I doubt he would be silly enough to go and try to mess with Primes home.
2nd...Surfer absorbed a portion of a sun, and nearly went both dumb and insane from it. Not a good look.
Lastly (on this point) Superman absorbed a FULL sun in concentrated form with no ill effect.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Yes, [b]with CIS. Without, a different story. You realize, the Super Sun is the only reason he has his powers. When we went back to the 20th century, he was reduced to not even being able to fly in less than a week (conservative estimate, as I forget the exact time frame). [/B]
So in a week he was weakened down to " still above most top tier herald" levels. I'm not sure how that helps Surfer in a straight up battle.
Originally posted by Avlon
Don't see that happening. It's like attacking Galactus ship in an attempt to spite Surfer. All he's going to do is bring out the pissed off Grandpappy and get pwned. Supes 1M can blow out stars with his breath alone..and even I doubt he would be silly enough to go and try to mess with Primes home.2nd...Surfer absorbed a portion of a sun, and nearly went both dumb and insane from it. Not a good look.
Lastly (on this point) Superman absorbed a FULL sun in concentrated form with no ill effect.
So in a week he was weakened down to " still above most top tier herald" levels. I'm not sure how that helps Surfer in a straight up battle.
So how do you think SS odds are taking Superman prime 1M and Superman 1m both at once since he did take on T&A 😆
Originally posted by Avlon
Don't see that happening. It's like attacking Galactus ship in an attempt to spite Surfer. All he's going to do is bring out the pissed off Grandpappy and get pwned. Supes 1M can blow out stars with his breath alone..and even I doubt he would be silly enough to go and try to mess with Primes home.2nd...Surfer absorbed a portion of a sun, and nearly went both dumb and insane from it. Not a good look.
Lastly (on this point) Superman absorbed a FULL sun in concentrated form with no ill effect.
I wasn't aware Superman-Prime was involved with this fight so that SS would need to be caution of him, actually. And - when did Superman absorb a full sun? His Supes 1M incarnation? (Genuine question.)
Originally posted by Avlon
So in a week he was weakened down to " still above most top tier herald" levels. I'm not sure how that helps Surfer in a straight up battle.
Was it actually a week? I made that up on the fly. 😛 And - Supes couldn't fly or use heat vision. He couldn't even use his super brain calculations or whatever one would call that. I doubt he had his superspeed in tact.
Originally posted by EnyalusI wasn't aware Superman-Prime was involved with this fight so that SS would need to be caution of him, actually. And - when did Superman absorb a full sun? His Supes 1M incarnation? (Genuine question.)
Was it actually a week? I made that up on the fly. 😛 And - Supes couldn't fly or use heat vision. He couldn't even use his super brain calculations or whatever one would call that. I doubt he had his superspeed in tact. [/B]
Although he did own Firestorm with his breath and TP held an entire galaxy together while weak.
Originally posted by EnyalusI wasn't aware Superman-Prime was involved with this fight so that SS would need to be caution of him, actually. And - when did Superman absorb a full sun? His Supes 1M incarnation? (Genuine question.) [/B]
He isn't...but the Supersun isn't either. Attacking an abstracts home is a sure way to be subject to it's wrath.
It won't matter anyway. Surfer hasn't even been able to absorb a full sun..much less a SUPER sun with a god in it.
S1M has not been shown to absorb a sun...but the guy did move a galaxy (full of suns) with mental powers... not shabby either.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Was it actually a week? I made that up on the fly. 😛 And - Supes couldn't fly or use heat vision. He couldn't even use his super brain calculations or whatever one would call that. I doubt he had his superspeed in tact. [/B]
A time frame was never given..but a couple of days to a week sounds about right. The guy made hypno rain while rubbing his hands, jumped to the moon from Earth, displayed advanced technopathy, and punched through time. Still ridiculously impressive feats.
Originally posted by Avlon
He isn't...but the Supersun isn't either. Attacking an abstracts home is a sure way to be subject to it's wrath.It won't matter anyway. Surfer hasn't even been able to absorb a full sun..much less a SUPER sun with a god in it.
S1M has not been shown to absorb a sun...but the guy did move a galaxy (full of suns) with mental powers... not shabby either.
Annihilation's Surfer absorbed/manipulated the nigh-infinite energies of the Big Crunch...at least a trillion times more powerful than a yellow sun. Conservative estimate. Now, it almost killed him - but it'd be silly to say that he can't handle absorbing the Super Sun.
My main thought was that he'd destroy it instead, though. That'd take less time than absorbing it. And because he doesn't have to worry about Supes-Prime (remember, he leaves the Sun and makes his own planet basically), it'd be well within his ability to do barring CIS.
Originally posted by Avlon
A time frame was never given..but a couple of days to a week sounds about right. The guy made hypno rain while rubbing his hands, jumped to the moon from Earth, displayed advanced technopathy, and punched through time. Still ridiculously impressive feats.
No doubt. And he's above Surfer in power. Which is why if he fights him with CIS on, he's screwed.
Originally posted by EnyalusAnnihilation's Surfer absorbed/manipulated the nigh-infinite energies of the Big Crunch...at least a trillion times more powerful than a yellow sun. Conservative estimate. Now, it almost killed him - but it'd be silly to say that he can't handle absorbing the Super Sun.
My main thought was that he'd destroy it instead, though. That'd take less time than absorbing it. And because he doesn't have to worry about Supes-Prime (remember, he leaves the Sun and makes his own planet basically), it'd be well within his ability to do barring CIS.
No doubt. And he's above Surfer in power. Which is why if he fights him with CIS on, he's screwed. [/B]
Will the thing is...he hasnt absorbed a sun yet so why apply a ABC logic because he chanelled the crunch energies. Any action agaisnt the sun is time away from the battle thus giving Superma 1M even more of a opening...not keeping your eye on the ball agaisnt Superman 1M would make this fight even brutal then the time Thanos KO'ed SS in 6 punches.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Will the thing is...he hasnt absorbed a sun yet so why apply a ABC logic because he chanelled the crunch energies.
I can't describe how....strange this line of thought is. But, I'll play your game. If we know Surfer can manipulate the energies of the Crunch, which are literally trillions of times stronger than a sun, but say he can't absorb a sun - then I suppose that although Supes 1M has 'punched through time' (Avlon's words) he doesn't have the punching power to knock out/kill/punch through someone of Surfer's durability. And thus, your entire argument crumbles.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Any action agaisnt the sun is time away from the battle thus giving Superma 1M even more of a opening...not keeping your eye on the ball agaisnt Superman 1M would make this fight even brutal then the time Thanos KO'ed SS in 6 punches.
Generally, when someone is absorbing something to gain power, they're going to be even more difficult to harm than before. And if we go the destruction route - all he needs to do is put a singularity in the sun, which by his own admission he can do "instantly." That, or power up to create a black hole that way...