Originally posted by EnyalusAnnihilation's Surfer absorbed/manipulated the nigh-infinite energies of the Big Crunch...at least a trillion times more powerful than a yellow sun. Conservative estimate. Now, it almost killed him - but it'd be silly to say that he can't handle absorbing the Super Sun. [/B]
Redirecting isn't the same as absorbing. Surfer still went nearly insane from just a portion of absorbing a regular sun and lost almost all his cognitive function.
Just manipulating a minuscule amount of crunch energy nearly killed him anyway...
Originally posted by Enyalus My main thought was that he'd destroy it instead, though. That'd take less time than absorbing it. And because he doesn't have to worry about Supes-Prime (remember, he leaves the Sun and makes his own planet basically), it'd be well within his ability to do barring CIS. [/B]
Superman Prime's home IS the SUPER-Sun. It's neither a regular sun, and Prime still lives in it. It's powered directly by Superman Prime. It's like trying to depower Surfer by attacking Galactus. Basically he'll be making things worse.
Originally posted by Enyalus
No doubt. And he's above Surfer in power. Which is why if he fights him with CIS on, he's screwed. [/B]
Still don't see it....even if we took the Super sun away...the amount of time before he loses power is far longer than what it would take to defeat Surfer.
Originally posted by EnyalusI can't describe how....strange this line of thought is. But, I'll play your game. If we know Surfer can manipulate the energies of the Crunch, which are literally trillions of times stronger than a sun, but say he can't absorb a sun - then I suppose that although Supes 1M has 'punched through time' (Avlon's words) he doesn't have the punching power to knock out/kill/punch through someone of Surfer's durability. And thus, your entire argument crumbles.
Generally, when someone is absorbing something to gain power, they're going to be even more difficult to harm than before. And if we go the destruction route - all he needs to do is put a singularity in the sun, which by his own admission he can do "instantly." That, or power up to create a black hole that way... [/B]
You're example doesnt work though, we have a very specific situation of SS attempting to abosrb the sun and failing....we dont have a example of Superma 1M punching someone with a "time busting"punch. ABC logic doesn't apply, wild speculation just degrades the debate.
Causing a singularity to the sun, even if the time is instantly is still foolish agaisnt a opponent with speed many multiples greater then light.It still doesnt sovle SS issue either, aside from just making Superman 1M even more pissed.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
You're example doesnt work though, we have a very specific situation of SS attempting to abosrb the sun and failing....we dont have a example of Superma 1M punching someone with a "time busting"punch. ABC logic doesn't apply, wild speculation just degrades the debate.
I don't know where you're getting this. He does not fail to absorb a sun. I assume we're talking about during the IG arc. He absorbs some of its energy. Just like he was attempting to do.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Causing a singularity to the sun, even if the time is instantly is still foolish agaisnt a opponent with speed many multiples greater then light.It still doesnt sovle SS issue either, aside from just making Superman 1M even more pissed.
SS is hundreds of times beyond lightspeed. He's been noted on panel to traverse 'trillions of miles in seconds.'
@ Avlon - I just thought of something insanely cheap which ends the fight automatically. Surfer sucks the solar energy out of Supes 1M's cells, similar to what he did against Hulk. LOL
Originally posted by EnyalusI don't know where you're getting this. He does not fail to absorb a sun. I assume we're talking about during the IG arc. He absorbs some of its energy. Just like he was attempting to do.
SS is hundreds of times beyond lightspeed. He's been noted on panel to traverse 'trillions of miles in seconds.'
@ Avlon - I just thought of something insanely cheap which ends the fight automatically. Surfer sucks the solar energy out of Supes 1M's cells, similar to what he did against Hulk. LOL [/B]
Doesnt work, Supes has already shown to regenerate his cells instantly even after being drained. In this case its gonna take a LONG ass time for SS to drain SM1M completly...if thats even possibe. Besides Supes isnt a brick so I dont even know how SS would have the time to manage such a thing..espeially agaisnt a opponent of Superman 1M speed.
Traverse millions of miles in a straight trajectory...besides that will help him how exactly?
Originally posted by Avlon
2nd...Surfer absorbed a portion of a sun, and nearly went both dumb and insane from it. Not a good look.
Not that I'm saying it would make any difference in this fight, I just thought I'd point that out.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Doesnt work, Supes has already shown to regenerate his cells instantly even after being drained. In this case its gonna take a LONG ass time for SS to drain SM1M completly...if thats even possibe. Besides Supes isnt a brick so I dont even know how SS would have the time to manage such a thing..espeially agaisnt a opponent of Superman 1M speed.Traverse millions of miles in a straight trajectory...besides that will help him how exactly? [/B]
Originally posted by The Great Galen
SMP...you mean normal Supes. He has regenerated his cells instantly upon being drained. Don't know if Superman 1M could but he should be able to.
Originally posted by darthgoober
No I meant Supermam 1 Milliion, I don't know why I said SMP. Anyway, do you attribute ALL of 616 Surfer feats to the Keeper or Exiles Surfer just because they SHOULD be able to replicate them?
I knew that was gonna be coming which is why I said"he should be able to".Although no it was a irrelevent point that was being dragged...still dont even know why theres a debate going on about who will win.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I knew that was gonna be coming which is why I said"he should be able to".Although no it was a irrelevent point that was being dragged...still dont even know why theres a debate going on about who will win.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Here we gohttp://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sm15jz8.jpg
But thanks for actually backing up the defense with a scan 🙂 .
Originally posted by darthgoober
That's the super sun though, it's a different scenario that a forum fight in a neutral universe where he wouldn't have something like that around to give him the home field advantage... at least I think. Like I said I didn't get into the 1 Million series so for all I know he could do it just fine, I was just addressing Galan's trying to bring in feats from mainstream Supes because he likes to dog on people for using 616 Surfer's feats for alternate versions of the character.But thanks for actually backing up the defense with a scan 🙂 .
U could learn from this,
Originally posted by The Great Galen
U could learn from this,
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Here we gohttp://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sm15jz8.jpg
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