Originally posted by Enyalus
The idea that base Superman is 10 times stronger than base WW [b]is utterly obscene.And for the record, she's fought an enraged Superman who was not holding back, and held her own. Furthermore, she's stated that Zoom's punches her more than Superman's. I guess Zoom is, what, 11 times stronger than Diana now? [/B]
How would you know he going all out of WW in sacrifice ...and does she been hit by full force of supes not holding his punch before.?And why of why that he stop hitting WW and had a time to talk and pick up that damn rock ...what rock going to do doomsday ( WW) in his mind at same time...he fight with doomsday before and 1 of that time killed him briefly and and all the fight that been fought one thing is consistent supes don't stop hitting doomsday and let him had a space to counter him and I say he tried his best to pwned the beast before and WTF moment happen in sacrifice arc...he stop hitting doomsday and pick a freakin rock.Supes must be on crack at time. 😛
Originally posted by Enyalus
The idea that base Superman is 10 times stronger than base WW [b]is utterly obscene.And for the record, she's fought an enraged Superman who was not holding back, and held her own. Furthermore, she's stated that Zoom's punches her more than Superman's. I guess Zoom is, what, 11 times stronger than Diana now? [/B]
Yet all there confrontations are a lesson in contradiction. Clark has traversed glaxies in hours, endured a galaxy destroying blast.physically moved the moon and a solar system sized object. He has as even effortlessly defeated opponents whom are WW's superior...yet its obscene to assume he is 10 times her power lol.
Honestly, has there even been a occasion where Supes has fought agaisnt WW in the same intelligent manner he has other foes. Has he ever used his h2h speedblitz agaisnt her with striking power that can wreck a small planet(mind you he was holding back so we dont even know what a full haymaker would do). Out of all the instances that they have fought, has he ever not been the victim of CIS.
Originally posted by snyper1982
Feats support Superman being multiples stronger than WW. I am sorry if you can't accept that. Once people hit class 100 the strength differences can sway wildly.
This is what happens when you take feats to their extremes. It can lead to nonsensical results. We simply haven't seen Diana do these things. You cannot simply surmise from that that she is 1. incapable and 2. therefore multiple times weaker than Clark. Do you have any idea how weak she would have to be for him to actually be 10 times stronger than her? All of their encounters with each other and even the way Clark speaks about WW do not indicate such.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
This is what happens when you take feats to their extremes. It can lead to nonsensical results. We simply haven't seen Diana do these things. You cannot simply surmise from that that she is 1. incapable and 2. therefore multiple times weaker than Clark. Do you have any idea how weak she would have to be for him to actually be 10 times stronger than her? All of their encounters with each other and even the way Clark speaks about WW do not indicate such.
True. Against Konvikt for instance, Superman noted that he was punching Konvikt hard enough to destroy small planets. Yet Wonder Woman's punches seemed to be affecting him far more than Superman's. If we use that, her strength > planet.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
This is what happens when you take feats to their extremes. It can lead to nonsensical results. We simply haven't seen Diana do these things. You cannot simply surmise from that that she is 1. incapable and 2. therefore multiple times weaker than Clark. Do you have any idea how weak she would have to be for him to actually be 10 times stronger than her? All of their encounters with each other and even the way Clark speaks about WW do not indicate such.
Forum fights are dictated by feats, this is the same issue with people who debated SS combat speed. They assumed just because he hasnt revealed h2h speed that it doesnt mean he cant...so we'll just use it as viable material for forum debates. By on-panel feats...he is her superior in multiples.
Originally posted by EnyalusSuperman said Guy Garder hits harder than Doomsday once.
The idea that base Superman is 10 times stronger than base WW [b]is utterly obscene.And for the record, she's fought an enraged Superman who was not holding back, and held her own. Furthermore, she's stated that Zoom's punches her more than Superman's. I guess Zoom is, what, 11 times stronger than Diana now? [/B]
Also, Superman's punch in Sacrifice made her black out . [Note: Zoom's didn't.]
After that when she woke up she went all defensive and tacticle. That held her decently for a short time until she figured out she had to kill Max, but she is clearly physically overwhelmed by Superman. The whole context of the story was that killing Max Lord was her only option of slowing down Superman, because Earth would be lost if she didn't, not her, not anyone was going to stop him. And she would be his first victim.
10x? I dunno.
But Superman might be the most physically daunting character in comics, or certainly among the very elite, and in his right mind he would also fight much smarter.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Forum fights are dictated by feats, this is the same issue with people who debated SS combat speed. They assumed just because he hasnt revealed h2h speed that it doesnt mean he cant...so we'll just use it as viable material for forum debates. By on-panel feats...he is her superior in multiples.
He has on panel nanosecond reaction feats, Galen. Look at the respect thread at the very least.
Originally posted by Enyalus
True. Against Konvikt for instance, Superman noted that he was punching Konvikt hard enough to destroy small planets. Yet Wonder Woman's punches seemed to be affecting him far more than Superman's. If we use that, her strength > planet.
So we will just ignore on-panel feats then, just because there battles contradict his powerset in comics...doesnt mean its acceptable in a forum fight.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
So we will just ignore on-panel feats then, just because there battles contradict his powerset in comics...doesnt mean its acceptable in a forum fight.
It doesn't contradict anything if there are no feats to contradict. Diana doesn't move the shit that Supes does. Doesn't mean she can't. And there's your evidence that her punches are at least on Superman's level. And they wouldn't be if Supes was 10 times her strength.
There's your evidence. The end.
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Originally posted by Enyalus
It doesn't contradict anything if there are no feats to contradict. Diana doesn't move the shit that Supes does. Doesn't mean she can't. And there's your evidence that her punches are at least on Superman's level. And they wouldn't be if Supes was 10 times her strength.There's your evidence. The end.
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lol, so basically just because they dont show it doesnt mean its not possible. Hey then the more i think about it, wolverine has never been shown to fly FTL but i guess that means he isnt capable of it 💃
So then is Superman Ten times stronger than Supergirl? becuz Wonder Woman is Clearly Superior To supergirl. So then He must be 20 times Stronger than Supergirl huh? How does someone who's ten times weaker than you put up any kind of fight? Hell, You only have to be 15 percent stronger than someone in order to completely pwn them.
Originally posted by fangirl101did you just pull that 15% number outta your behind or do you have some basis for such a claim?
So then is Superman Ten times stronger than Supergirl? becuz Wonder Woman is Clearly Superior To supergirl. So then He must be 20 times Stronger than Supergirl huh? How does someone who's ten times weaker than you put up any kind of fight? Hell, You only have to be 15 percent stronger than someone in order to completely pwn them.