Superman versus Wonderwoman All Out

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman said Guy Garder hits harder than Doomsday once.

Also, Superman's punch in Sacrifice made her black out . [Note: Zoom's didn't.]
After that when she woke up she went all defensive and tacticle. That held her decently for a short time until she figured out she had to kill Max, but she is clearly physically overwhelmed by Superman. The whole context of the story was that killing Max Lord was her only option of slowing down Superman, because Earth would be lost if she didn't, not her, not anyone was going to stop him. And she would be his first victim.

10x? I dunno.

But Superman might be the most physically daunting character in comics, or certainly among the very elite, and in his right mind he would also fight much smarter.

Yes, it was her only option because she didn't want to kill him. Tactical? She's smarter than him, so it's not a surprise that she would outwit him, especially considering that SHE HAD NO DESIRE TO FIGHT HIM.

10x is ridiculous. I'm sorry.

Originally posted by fangirl101
So then is Superman Ten times stronger than Supergirl? becuz Wonder Woman is Clearly Superior To supergirl. So then He must be 20 times Stronger than Supergirl huh? How does someone who's ten times weaker than you put up any kind of fight? Hell, You only have to be 15 percent stronger than someone in order to completely pwn them.

Like I said before, has there even been a occasion where supes has foguth her in intelligent matter at full capcity?

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Yes, it was her only option because she didn't want to kill him. Tactical? She's smarter than him, so it's not a surprise that she would outwit him, especially considering that SHE HAD NO DESIRE TO FIGHT HIM.

10x is ridiculous. I'm sorry.

LMAO, she couldnt kill him...thats a big difference.

Originally posted by Starscream M
did you just pull that 15% number outta your behind or do you have some basis for such a claim?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
lol, so basically just because they dont show it doesnt mean its not possible. Hey then the more i think about it, wolverine has never been shown to fly FTL but i guess that means he isnt capable of it 💃

That's not really a fair comparison. In one you are giving an ability to a character, where there is no indication whatsoever that Wolverine has that capability. There is nothing in his powerset that remotely hints at the ability to fly. The other is an extrapolation from a similar on panel feat, with the reasoning being that the prior feat is very similar to the point being argued.

Now, if you want to claim that the later argument doesn't fly in these forums, that is perfectly fine. But do so reasonably 😉

Originally posted by fangirl101
On guy can Bench 100 Pounds. Another guy can bench 115 pounds. they push against each other. who's going to give out? Do you know what 15 pounds means? Alot.

🙁

Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO, she couldnt kill him...thats a big difference.

She could kill him. Magical weapons ftw. She'd honestly have an easier time trying to kill him than KO him imo.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
That's not really a fair comparison. In one you are giving an ability to a character, where there is no indication whatsoever that Wolverine has that capability. There is nothing in his powerset that remotely hints at the ability to fly. The other is an extrapolation from a similar on panel feat, with the reasoning being that the prior feat is very similar to the point being argued.

Now, if you want to claim that the later argument doesn't fly in these forums, that is perfectly fine. But do so reasonably 😉

So when you say extrapolate you really just mean guessing and assuming.

Does this look like he's 10 times her strength?

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Yes, it was her only option because she didn't want to kill him. Tactical? She's smarter than him, so it's not a surprise that she would outwit him, especially considering that SHE HAD NO DESIRE TO FIGHT HIM.

10x is ridiculous. I'm sorry.

No, she's not smarter than he is. Not even close.

I never suggested he was 10x stronger, just that he is clearly her superior particularly at base levels.

She had to be tacticle to make up for his vast other advanges, and knew she would still be overwhelmed. She might not wanted to fight Clark in particular, not anyone should, however, she was the one fighting for the fate of Earth in that moment

The whole context of the story was that killing Max Lord was her only option of slowing down Superman, because Earth would be lost if she didn't, not her, not anyone was going to stop him. And she would be his first victim.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
She could kill him. Magical weapons ftw. She'd honestly have an easier time trying to kill him than KO him imo.

Lasso didnt work, she slit his throat but wasnt that just to slow him down...selective memmory FTW.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Like I said before, has there even been a occasion where supes has foguth her in intelligent matter at full capcity?

Careful now. You wouldn't want to start speculating based on what we *haven't* seen on panel. 😛

I don't think he was nearly as deranged as you claim in the Sacrifice fight. He was using all of his abilities on her, not just brawling. He was wisely avoiding the lasso and krypto dagger she pulled on him. Diana even commenting that it was like he knew what the lasso would do to him.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
This is what happens when you take feats to their extremes. It can lead to nonsensical results. We simply haven't seen Diana do these things. You cannot simply surmise from that that she is 1. incapable and 2. therefore multiple times weaker than Clark. Do you have any idea how weak she would have to be for him to actually be 10 times stronger than her? All of their encounters with each other and even the way Clark speaks about WW do not indicate such.

Being 10 times weaker than Kal is not a bad thing. He is one of the strongest characters of all time.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Lasso didnt work, she slit his throat but wasnt that just to slow him down...selective memmory FTW.

It certainly wasn't to kill him. You don't honestly think she meant to kill him, but missed? And I do remember that the lasso didn't work. I wasn't referring to it however. Try again 😉

Originally posted by fangirl101
Does this look like he's 10 times her strength?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So when you say extrapolate you really just mean guessing and assuming.

Assumptions are often apart of arguments. And I like how you ignored the entire point of that post; i.e. your analogy was completely off base.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Forum fights are dictated by feats, this is the same issue with people who debated SS combat speed. They assumed just because he hasnt revealed h2h speed that it doesnt mean he cant...so we'll just use it as viable material for forum debates. By on-panel feats...he is her superior in multiples.

Nice. Because fangirl is one of the people who kept asking for on panel evidence that SS had hand speed like WW...

So...yeah I guess he was trying lol.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Careful now. You wouldn't want to start speculating based on what we *haven't* seen on panel. 😛

I don't think he was nearly as deranged as you claim in the Sacrifice fight. He was using all of his abilities on her, not just brawling. He was wisely avoiding the lasso and krypto dagger she pulled on him. Diana even commenting that it was like he knew what the lasso would do to him.

Oh so he was using his superspeed then in combination with strikes,preasure points and holds?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Does this look like he's 10 times her strength?