Originally posted by vlaaad12345
The same way hes effected other energy types with heat vision and t-vo?hell kc superman punched lightning.
are we talking about kc sups, his power level is so beyound current supes it's laughable. and what other energy types, could compair to Dr. M. really captain atom, he can still be punched manhatten can't be unless he wanted to.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Nobody seems to understand that if Doc Manhattan sees Superman hitting him in the face, in the future, he won't be able to stop it. He can see the strings, he still can't act on it.
yeah but he does have some latitude with what happens. The entire history of his earth was changed with his presences. i know the line your referring to but it contradicted everything in the watchmen. If that was true that Doc wouldn't have affected how everything came about like nickson staying in office but he did. Same would go for supes. he would know the way to beat him. He would say later that he had no choice in the matter but that would still be wrong. Also what would there be for superman to hit unless Mannatten wanted him to hit something.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Again he has hit pure energy with his heat vision before and his t-vo allows him to do the same,how about some actual feats of docs that let him beat supes...o wait he has none.
like who that was on Doc M's level. you still haven't said sounds like you just pulled something you heard from someone else. I think someone who has complete control over matter should be able to stop supes. Since he can make matter into anything and has evaporated people i think that would come in handy. For one thing he could make supes electro telekintic field (you the thing that makes supes intangible) into air) or read his past and make everything k-night. the list really goes on and on and no one has really come up with a reason supes heat vision would really work or t-vo for that matter. Doc M boasted (not one for lieing or exageration) that he has walked on the surface of the sun. I think that pretty much means that he can take the heat.
Dr. M gives Supes cancer & then turns into a carYouTube video
i'm sure their's some way supes can win I really don't see Doc M as being far and away better then supes but I just haven't really seen any real proff that supes can really do anything to him. If i'm wrong then actually state things that have happened that apply to doc m. Not that he can do something but that he has actually done it. Like hitting Marian manhunnter when he was intangble and when MM was writtin write in regards to his intangibly. Or if supes has hit and beat someone is pure energy like the radiant not someone like cap. atom.
Originally posted by I-Drop
Dr. M gives Supes cancer & then turns into a carYouTube video
you win
Originally posted by jasofischim affecting things was part of his future, he cant change what he sees. His history wasn't changed it was fate for all of it to happen and he knows that.
yeah but he does have some latitude with what happens. The entire history of his earth was changed with his presences. i know the line your referring to but it contradicted everything in the watchmen. If that was true that Doc wouldn't have affected how everything came about like nickson staying in office but he did. Same would go for supes. he would know the way to beat him. He would say later that he had no choice in the matter but that would still be wrong. Also what would there be for superman to hit unless Mannatten wanted him to hit something.
Originally posted by jalek moye
him affecting things was part of his future, he cant change what he sees. His history wasn't changed it was fate for all of it to happen and he knows that.
but he did just by being there. his view of pre detrmnation was just wrong. Even so if he knows because of his time vision that superman is vunrable to k-nite or any other way to beat him that will play into what the future is which makes everything circular.
Originally posted by jasofisc
but he did just by being there. his view of pre detrmnation was just wrong. Even so if he knows because of his time vision that superman is vunrable to k-nite or any other way to beat him that will play into what the future is which makes everything circular.
Originally posted by Digi
People love making threads with him in it because it raises this question and ends with people yelling at one another for whatever reason. Manhattan's the ultimate in implied power, but 12 total issues in an ensemble work means that his concrete feats are barely enough to fill one short post of scans.Beyond that fact is that his name is dragged through the mud far too often for a lack of feats, when it's very obvious that the character, and the series, wasn't created for feats at all. I always disliked vs. battles with such characters, because it misses their point entirely. I'd personally argue that he's beyond Surfer, but why bother? Besides the fact that I can't objectively defend that opinion, I'm arguing an aspect of the character that is irrelevant.
His power was implied because it had more affect in the story that way. Gaudy displays would have cheapened his persona. His function in the story is what is important, not what he did on-panel.
Superman is about power levels and feats. Manhattan isn't, and never should be.
I think Superman Beyond illustrates this quite clearly, with Quantum Superman being Morison's interpretation of the Doc. I think he said something on the lines of 'I am the Endgame of the idea that Spawned the likes of you (In regards to Ultra man and Superman). When Moore first pledged the idea of Watchmen to D.C. the story was originally going to feature C lister D.C. characters; the Doc\ being Captain Atom.So you could argue that Superman is generally portrayed beyond Captain Atom, however there have been suggestions that Captain Atom, is the most powerful being in D.C. creation (Sub Metaphysical deities such as Spectre, Endless, Angels, Certain Sky Fathers etc).
If you want to base it on feats (Which as Digi has stated shouldn't really be the case), one limitation of the Doctor was clearly illustrated. Ozymandias makes it very clear that the Doc will probably be unable to disarm all the Russians nuclear arsenal when deployed. This is something that a full power Supes should easily be able to do, based on Speed and endurance feats, however I don't think this should really be taken into consideration.