Originally posted by Mr Master
Galactus never asserted he couldn't survive the end of the Universe,
his fear is of the UN itself, which can nullify him,
although, that in itself would collapse everything anyways.
Perhaps. However, Richards asked him specifically "should the universe crumbled, should Galactus survive?" and that was seemed to deter him just fine.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Still, Galactus can survive the end of the Universe,
he did so already in the future, when one end of the Universe came about.
So has the Flash. Alternate futures aren't canon.
Originally posted by Mr Master
What if's aren't non-canon,
they're actually situated in a Universe withIN the prime Marvel Multiverse.(they're diverge alternate mirrors of 616)
The difference is, that although they are copies of 616,
since they diverged/split from 616, they are instead alternate realities.But really, the only alternate reality is that history has taken a different path,
but it involves the same exact characters,
with the same exact power-set as the one's from 616,
only seen from two separate perspectives.Originally Reed with the UN made Galactus concede,
then, a split in time-space took place, another identical 616 Universe popped into existence,
this 616 copy shares every detail with the original 616 up until that point it split,
then it takes on a history of its own.So in 616 Galactus concedes, in the 616 copy, SS takes the UN away from Reed,
Galactus pwns everyone, including disintegrating Uatu.Grant it, many What ifs are retarded.
It makes for an interesting story, but it isn't canon and thus not valid as proof.
Originally posted by Mr Master
* edit * ... and I don't ever use them, or condone it,
I was actually trying to make a point.
Ok...glad we agree.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Reed isn't Galactus. 🙂
Wasn't there a story somewhere where he was?
Originally posted by AvlonPerhaps. However, Richards asked him specifically "should the universe crumbled, should Galactus survive?" and that was seemed to deter him just fine.
On Panel that's what took place, and Galactus' 2006 bio confirms this.
Originally posted by AvlonSo has the Flash. Alternate futures aren't canon.
Something that isn't canon, means it doesn't exist in any sense of the word.
Alternate futures (every possible 616 future)
diverged realities (What if-types)
alternate mirrors of 616 (parallel worlds)
all exist, all are Universes withIN the Marvel Omniverse
so all are canon to the Marvelverse.
The Marvel Universe is an Omniverse as we know.
That's what the Omniverse is, every alternate possible Universe in Marvel:
*note* Universes separate from the 616 Reality
are obviously not part of the 616 present Timeline continuity.
Originally posted by AvlonIt makes for an interesting story, but it isn't canon and thus not valid as proof.
Originally posted by AvlonOk...glad we agree.
Originally posted by AvlonWasn't there a story somewhere where he was?
Not that I know of.
Reed did become Eternity in an alternate parallel Universe.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm confident Galactus was repelled because of the UN being used on him.On Panel that's what took place, and Galactus' 2006 bio confirms this.
Perhaps so, and not that I'm doubting you. Back then they probably hadn't truly fleshed things out and thus the bio may reflect it. However ON PANEL in both 616 and in the What if you posted, Richards brings up the destruction of the universe and Galactus immediately surrenders.
Imperiex's feats destroying and restarting the universe are one's he's already done, and multiple times. He also has an infinite supply of entropic energy at his disposal. Under Galan's admission the crunch would have been too much for him. The guy also weakens while Imperiex doesn't. It's like DC custom made the guy to beat him.
Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]In Marvel they are canon, again,
it's just not 616 characters anymore because they're situated in the future,
but they still are characters from the prime Marvel Multiverse.Something that isn't canon, means it doesn't exist in any sense of the word.
Alternate futures (every possible 616 future)
diverged realities (What if-types)
alternate mirrors of 616 (parallel worlds)
all exist, all are Universes withIN the Marvel Omniverse
so all are canon to the Marvelverse.The Marvel Universe is an Omniverse as we know.
That's what the Omniverse is, every alternate possible Universe in Marvel:
*note* Universes separate from the 616 Reality
are obviously not part of the 616 present Timeline continuity.It seems DC & Marvel play those cards differently.
Actually, they are more similar than you think my friend...although that doesn't matter by the rules here:
No Non-canon Sources Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as [b]Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character. A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!). This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed.
Galactus may have the potential to be as poweful as imperiex based on future timelines, but then again so does Superman if we go by potential.
Originally posted by Mr Master
For the record though, it's not because they're "non-canon" ...
it's because they're situated in alternate realities,
and that many times, becomes an excuse for writers to go rogue in their stories.
I agree. However, it's still an imaginary story however close they may get it to the original. In an alternate reality, Brainiac using Imperiex's power completely took over the very fabric of reality.
Also, in one of your own examples, wasn't the IG extremely toned down as compared to 616?
Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Where Reed was Galactus?Not that I know of.
Reed did become Eternity in an alternate parallel Universe.
Something just tingles in the back of my head. Figured if anyone might know...it would be you amigo.
Originally posted by skygunner41
How would you know that?
It erases abstract level beings. That's what it does. Capable of wiping out any one of the Celestial Trinity, for instance. Capable of wiping out an entire multiverse. No, Imperiex cannot withstand it. Think Darkseid's Omega Effect x1,000. Conservative estimate.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Um, The UN would destroy Imperiex. why would it? He's already entropy. The most powerful destructive force in the DCU.
The UN is capable of wiping out concepts. It isn't like the UN uses entropy to destroy things. We don't know what it uses to do what it does. Saying he's entropy is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Enyalus
It erases abstract level beings. That's what it does. Capable of wiping out any one of the Celestial Trinity, for instance. Capable of wiping out an entire multiverse. No, Imperiex cannot withstand it. Think Darkseid's Omega Effect x1,000. Conservative estimate.
