Originally posted by Bardock42
You misunderstood me. My point was that your initial assumption that all women want to take care of children and disregard everything else is incorrect. I am not going to provide you arguments for your flawed assumption.
I did not mean to convey ALL since a handfull may have their own mind through some reason, although soceity pushes women in that direction, and if you cannot provide arguments saying why my apprent flawed assumption is indeed flawed, then you have no case....
Originally posted by Burning thought
In a modern environment keeping the Speices excisting is not the most important thing, keeping the Spieces evolving is, and a human race who are simply morally bent without question to have children and to be pressured, perhaps even without knowing they are to do something they may regret later is wrong. If we cant even control the instincts the human race may as well be living in caves.
Question: how does the species evolve if it dies out?
Because it doesnt die out, the chance that 100% of the population will choose to follow its own mind rather than soceities is likely impossible, but lets say they did, not everyone will choose not to have children, thats why I created this thread to see if there were human reasons and not baseless instincts of "their just special to have", ime waiting to see if someone can come up with some, ime sure there are reasons. Perhaps there are none and the human race would just die out but I dont belive so, ime sure there are intelligent ideas on this.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Because it doesnt die out, the chance that 100% of the population will choose to follow its own mind rather than soceities is likely impossible, but lets say they did, not everyone will choose not to have children, thats why I created this thread to see if there were human reasons and not baseless instincts of "their just special to have", ime waiting to see if someone can come up with some, ime sure there are reasons. Perhaps there are none and the human race would just die out but I dont belive so, ime sure there are intelligent ideas on this.
a) I can barely read that
b) rational reason for having kids: it would be nice for the species to keep existing
c) rational reason for having kids: it would be nice if we were immortal but we're not
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
a) I can barely read that
b) rational reason for having kids: it would be nice for the species to keep existing
c) rational reason for having kids: it would be nice if we were immortal but we're not
a) how hard is it to read?
The chances that the entire population would be intelligent enough to make their decisions rather than have soceity make them for them is next to nothing.
AND
If the whole of soceity did...there "should" i hope be someone out there who has an intelligent reason to have so much interest in children, ime more targeting those, mostly women who have Children as their main interest in life, for example ,I asked a 14 year old, very young, shouldnt be so absolute in her ideal, yet she believes that the highest thing in her life, the most important thing ever in her life will be the child she wants to have , thats a combination of sick and shameful imo, since a girl of that age doesnt even know much on the subject, hell I even asked her, she said she didnt know, so this sounds like a combination of her instincts and social beliefs.
b) maybe, if thats your view fair enough, if thats the only reason for having children then okie. Personally over arrogent parasites of the planet that destroy eachother and who are mere animals anyway especially at base value (like this thread is about, instincts ruling behavior and pack mentality ruling minds) are not the most worthwhile aspect of the universe, certainly not this planet. If the only reason for a mother to think her child is more than the world to her, then this is shameful. But I dont belive it is, its either instinct/soceity as I said above or a better reason that ime searching for.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtYour assumption that all (or at least most) women are mere slaves to instincts? I don't need to disprove that. It's your burden to prove if you make a statement.
I did not mean to convey [b]ALL since a handfull may have their own mind through some reason, although soceity pushes women in that direction, and if you cannot provide arguments saying why my apprent flawed assumption is indeed flawed, then you have no case.... [/B]
It would also be easier if the sytax of your sentences as well as those of your apparent "logic" would make a tiny bit of sense. It is extremely hard to even guess what you are babbling about.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Your assumption that all (or at least most) women are mere slaves to instincts? I don't need to disprove that. It's your burden to prove if you make a statement.It would also be easier if the sytax of your sentences as well as those of your apparent "logic" would make a tiny bit of sense. It is extremely hard to even guess what you are babbling about.
The majority of people around me I can see this in, thats my logical opinion is that soceity pushes the idea of having children on women as the most important thing, if you look at my example a few posts above, even at young ages women/girls have a great interest in children or a requirement for them before they even understand the fundementals. And actually not just slaves to instincts but also soceities goals, as are most people unfortunatley.
Do you have a logical philosphy on this? probably not from your posts.
I think you probably dont have any real view yourself, you simply disagree yet have no reason behind your own disagreement.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtI assume you are on of the few examples able to form independent thoughts?
The majority of people around me I can see this in, thats my logical opinion is that soceity pushes the idea of having children on women as the most important thing, if you look at my example a few posts above, even at young ages women/girls have a great interest in children or a requirement for them before they even understand the fundementals. And actually not just slaves to instincts but also soceities goals, as are most people unfortunatley.Do you have a logical philosphy on this? probably not from your posts.
I think you probably dont have any real view yourself, you simply disagree yet have no reason behind your own disagreement.
Originally posted by Burning thought
a) how hard is it to read?
It's like you don't use periods or capital letters. Has the comma union gotten to you?
Originally posted by Burning thought
The chances that the entire population would be intelligent enough to make their decisions rather than have soceity make them for them is next to nothing.
Yeah, people are sheep, we're designed that way because it benefits survival/god said so. You also seem to ignore the idea that intelligence choices can match up with society. Something like:
"Gee, I'm an independent thinker that wants the human race not to die out I should probably think of having kids even though the evil boogey-man that is society thinks it's okay if I do that.
Originally posted by Burning thought
If the whole of soceity did...there "should" i hope be someone out there who has an intelligent reason to have so much interest in children, ime more targeting those, mostly women who have Children as their main interest in life, for example ,I asked a 14 year old, very young, shouldnt be so absolute in her ideal, yet she believes that the highest thing in her life, the most important thing ever in her life will be the child she wants to have , thats a combination of sick and shameful imo, since a girl of that age doesnt even know much on the subject, hell I even asked her, she said she didnt know, so this sounds like a combination of her instincts and social beliefs.
She's 14, what does she know about what she wants/needs/will actually end up doing in the future?
Originally posted by Burning thought
b) maybe, if thats your view fair enough, if thats the only reason for having children then okie. Personally over arrogent parasites of the planet that destroy eachother and who are mere animals anyway especially at base value (like this thread is about, instincts ruling behavior and pack mentality ruling minds) are not the most worthwhile aspect of the universe, certainly not this planet. If the only reason for a mother to think her child is more than the world to her, then this is shameful. But I dont belive it is, its either instinct/soceity as I said above or a better reason that ime searching for.
I get it, you're cynical. So am I.
Keeping the species around and allowing it to develop because of that is a perfectly good non-instinct non-evil-boogyman-society based reason for having kids. So is, "because I want to *****."
Sure I can form indepednant thoughts, because I create reasons from a human point of view for most things important to me, for example when I have sex, I do it not because I feel the great urge to sustain my lust, but because I feel "love" (a human belief, not instinctual or animal) for a being. When I judge people,I dont judge them by soceities views such as "damn that homosexual is a freak!", I judge them by who the person is. Not because soceity wants you to look down on certain cultures or groups.
Ime sure you understand soceity mentality? towards diffrent groups, or peoples? sort of like racism was a common social problem and in some areas is still a problem. Other idiotic social views that some "drones" (people who do not have real independant thought) have are that smoking is acceptable, just because a group of their friends do it, it happens to many times. Similiar with drugs.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Sure I can form indepednant thoughts, because I create reasons from a human point of view for most things important to me, for example when I have sex, I do it not because I feel the great urge to sustain my lust, but because I feel "love" (a human belief, not instinctual or animal) for a being. When I judge people,I dont judge them by soceities views such as "damn that homosexual is a freak!", I judge them by who the person is. Not because soceity wants you to look down on certain cultures or groups.Ime sure you understand soceity mentality? towards diffrent groups, or peoples? sort of like racism was a common social problem and in some areas is still a problem. Other idiotic social views that some "drones" (people who do not have real independant thought) have are that smoking is acceptable, just because a group of their friends do it, it happens to many times. Similiar with drugs.
You seem to have some cynical ... juvenile philosophical ideas that you just apply based on, really nothing much, but a sort of arrogance about yourself. It's odd.
Obviously other people have independent thoughts. We all (ALL) are influenced by our instincts and by our society and our surroundings, in one way or another. But so far I have yet to see you make a valid or intelligent point about any of the topics you choose to address.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It's like you don't use periods or capital letters. Has the comma union gotten to you?Yeah, people are sheep, we're designed that way because it benefits survival/god said so. You also seem to ignore the idea that intelligence choices can match up with society. Something like:
"Gee, I'm an independent thinker that [b]wants the human race not to die out
I should probably think of having kids even though the evil boogey-man that is society thinks it's okay if I do that.She's 14, what does she know about what she wants/needs/will actually end up doing in the future?
I get it, you're cynical. So am I.
Keeping the species around and allowing it to develop because of that is a perfectly good non-instinct non-evil-boogyman-society based reason for having kids. So is, "because I want to *****." [/B]
Oh I see, you love grammar, Well if I can read through and understand information where people dont even use full stops or any grammar at all ime sure you can.
Exactley, people are usually sheep.
Thats a bogus decision, as if anyone sits there dreaming of their future excistence to be based around keeping the humans as a speices alive, and Soceity doesnt just think its "okie", Soceity makes you feel the "need" to have one, and especially in women, the "my life is not fulfilled until I have one" syndrome
And actually keeping the spieces surviving is an instinct 🙂 and because you want to ***** is also an instinct based reason.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You seem to have some cynical ... juvenile philosophical ideas that you just apply based on, really nothing much, but a sort of arrogance about yourself. It's odd.Obviously other people have independent thoughts. We all (ALL) are influenced by our instincts and by our society and our surroundings, in one way or another. But so far I have yet to see you make a valid or intelligent point about any of the topics you choose to address.
Thats baseless, explain please, otherwise you may as well just go "your wrong!!!"
Many people are completly shaped and formed by their soceity and instincts, they simply like to belive they are independantly thinking, which is probably what your doing right now by constantly saying "your wrong!!" without giving examples or logical reasoning, apprently ime simply given your baseless opiniion of how ime making "no valid or intelligent points".
Originally posted by Burning thought
Oh I see, you love grammar, Well if I can read through and understand information where people dont even use full stops or any grammar at all ime sure you can.Exactley, people are usually sheep.
Thats a bogus decision, as if anyone sits there dreaming of their future excistence to be based around keeping the humans as a speices alive, and Soceity doesnt just think its "okie", Soceity makes you feel the "need" to have one, and especially in women, the "my life is not fulfilled until I have one" syndrome
I'm with Bardock on this one. You're talking nonsense out your ass.
Originally posted by Burning thought
And actually keeping the spieces surviving is an instinct 🙂
Of the most irrelevant sort.
Originally posted by Burning thought
because you want to ***** is also an instinct based reason.
Five letters. Try again.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm with Bardock on this one. You're talking nonsense out your ass.Of the most irrelevant sort.
Five letters. Try again.
You can be with who you like on whatever you like, but until you have any reasoning or debatable points in the argument it doesnt matter, your proving the soceity view of "he doesnt belive what the rest of us belive so he must be wrong!...." nonsense, where you cannot actually give a logical answer.
Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
George Carlin said it better than I eve could 😆
hehe I like
Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats baseless, explain please, otherwise you may as well just go "your wrong!!!"
I would never do that.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Many people are completly shaped and formed by their soceity and instincts, they simply like to belive they are independantly thinking, which is probably what your doing right now by constantly saying "your wrong!!" without giving examples or logical reasoning, apprently ime simply given your baseless opiniion of how ime making "no valid or intelligent points".
What would you like me to prove? That people are influenced by instincts and their society? I can send a PM to inimalist or xmarksthespot, they can probably state studies of such a nature. That all humans have independent thought? Well, I got a problem there, I don't know how you'd define independent. You go into regions there that are very hard to explain and separate. What could probably be proven (though complicated) scientifically, that there are no people who are just independent of society and their own instincts. I can't prove to you, that you, are just as much a product of instincts and your surroundings as the next person (you'd call a sheep), but I would say it's pretty evident and most people would agree.
Originally posted by Burning thought
You can be with who you like on whatever you like, but until you have any reasoning or debatable points in the argument it doesnt matter, your proving the soceity view of "he doesnt belive what the rest of us belive so he must be wrong!...."
I . . . I can be with Bardock? But they said it was illegal here.
I've given you plenty of points. You've given none.
Originally posted by Burning thought
you cannot actually give a logical answer.
I can't give a logical answer to something that has no logical basis. You've yet to form an argument, everything so far has been irrelevant ranting.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I would never do that.What would you like me to prove? That people are influenced by instincts and their society? I can send a PM to inimalist or xmarksthespot, they can probably state studies of such a nature. That all humans have independent thought? Well, I got a problem there, I don't know how you'd define independent. You go into regions there that are very hard to explain and separate. What could probably be proven (though complicated) scientifically, that there are no people who are just independent of society and their own instincts. I can't prove to you, that you, are just as much a product of instincts and your surroundings as the next person (you'd call a sheep), but I would say it's pretty evident and most people would agree.
good.
No, my argument is also that People are genrally completly influenced by those things, religion, fashion, soceity views as a whole, the problem is, it stuffs peoples minds from when their young full of so much nonsense, from overall soceity views like "my friend smokes so i will, I dont care if it says ill die on the packet...my friend does it!" sort of thing.
I define independant thought as thoughts where a person can give reasons for their actions based on human notions from their OWN belief, to be their own indepdant person, when they make decisions that are not controlled by soceity, when in some countries people say "Gay" is wrong just because soceity thinks so.
Pretty evident and most peple would agree? you mean soceity would agree? 😄 yeh ofc....