Originally posted by Burning thought😐
Well either your a drone and so wouldnt understand it since it is based around you and so you wouldnt like to belive that your not choosing everything you do, OR you simply understnad it but dont realise it openly. I dont see whats so hard about understnad that so many people do things just because soceity pushes them that way.It sounds like the typical BS a drone would come out with, "perhaps your insecure because you debate comics and dont have a life ya hahaha!!" before taking a puff on your death stick and giggling with your drug abusing m8s, its a typical drone response but interesting for research purposes.
So anyone who does not agree with you or questions you, is a mindless drone and a slave to society?
Burning Thought:
back on topic for a second, are you saying that there are no ways that a woman would independently come to the conclusion that they want a child?
how is this congruent with the fact that women consistently rate the relationship with their children as being more important than their relationship with their spouse... Surely women can't be "socially brainwashed" to get self fulfillment through something.
Originally posted by inimalist
Burning Thought:back on topic for a second, are you saying that there are no ways that a woman would independently come to the conclusion that they want a child?
how is this congruent with the fact that women consistently rate the relationship with their children as being more important than their relationship with their spouse... Surely women can't be "socially brainwashed" to get self fulfillment through something.
No, ime asking for examples of where a women does independantly want a child.
And yes they can be socially brain washed to get fullfillment, it happens all the time doesnt it, especially in the young when a child wants a toy in an advertisement just because it looks nice in the images they get amount of fullfillment out of gaining it. Fashion is another one for older people, Fashion designers make people want to buy their products, they make them feel out of place with soceity if they dont fullfill their fashion "needs" and then by gaining that item the person feels good about themselves, even if it is just a ploy from Fashion designers/merchants for their products to be bought and they dont care about the faceless unknown people and how they look in the products.
Popularity is another sad depravity of the social view which is a good example of gaining fullfillment. If someone is not populour or does not feel they are they get upset, wheras if they are "populour" they feel good about themselves, they get fullfillment. Even if their a massively fake person, there are many people who are massively fake, if youve ever seen that "sweet sixteen" program, you can see how the younger generations gain fullfillment out of the view that their populour just because they happen to have a massive list of people going to their parties, they dont sit down it seems and think "well none of these people hardly even know me, their just using me and my party for entertainment", they simply think of how populour they are, which ofc is a fake soceity view but a potent one.
Originally posted by inimalist
oh, would you describe the independent variable?
Independants are variable because they can choose as they will.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
😐So anyone who does not agree with you or questions you, is a mindless drone and a slave to society?
The same as i said to bardock, anyone who simply disagrees without notion or argument is a pack animal, but theres a lot of variables in being a mindless slave, not just one, however being a pack animal is one example.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
There's a lot of people who would disagree with you, most of them a lot more qualified. Take a great number of revolutionary poets and novelists - they took part in a very hedonistic lifestyle and it has always been seen to be a movement against conventional society - "The path of excess leads to the palace of wisdom" William Blake.I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying now - are you suggesting that society wants people to smoke and take drugs? Surely that could lead to unemployment and death, which would be a loss of taxes.
Disagree? you cant disagree that soceity shapes people massively if not completly makes them who they are and through its manipulations can make a person into a drone. because youve already shown me many dronelike notions yourself, your first one was "your a retard" which was a random view without base, then you gave me the bit about comic book debators not having a life joke, which emphasised a large view on soceity which is often a load of rubbish and people follow such a view because thats what soceity dictates.
No soceity is not in control 100% of itself, it depends what viewpoint your looking from, soceity as a whole is very ignorent, people have an incredible pack mentality, if one person does something its not likely to cause a rave (unless its a celebrity) but if a group of 5 people do something, and someone else joins that group, the chances are that new person will follow the group regardless of ideal.
Looking from a superiority official view (basiclaly the view from a tobacco company official perhaps) then youve got the economical weighing system of, "hell this person has already bought thousands of my cigerettes, caused the addiction to be spread to many of their friends/family and promoted me" his death means nothing in the long run of the economics because their low wage (likely due to stupidity from smoking and common sense) wouldnt mean half as much to the Tobacco company official as the amount of people already buying the cigarettes, and everyone here knows that even a tramp can afford a pack of cigarettes, when they are begging they use their money on drugs and alcahol or death sticks, not food.
Originally posted by Robtard
Burning thought,From your profile:
"[b]very important quote, if you belive in weightless and void comments, weightless assumptions
, populairty of a character beating powers and feets then watch this video, several times until the message settles in"Considering the non-argument dribble you've unleashed in this thread alone, that is irony at it's finest. [/B]
But not really, because my arguments and logic have weight and are not void, since I base everything on soceity, which ofc excists.
Originally posted by Bardock42
So, either he agrees with you and mindlessly follows what you say or he is a sheep.
oh certianly not, he should simply be able to form an argument, give me a reason why ime wrong instead of simply saying I am. Looking at inimalists recent posts he is addressing my views, not simply saying ime wrong, so even if he does belive ime wrong (whcih is difficult because its my opinion) he is at least trying to get behind it, instead of simply saying "your wrong and make no sense"
i hope you realize that everyone is influenced by people and the enviroment even you. We all get ideas from other people and the things we enjoy were usally brought to us by others who enjoy it.
and it is an instinct to want children and to care more about them, if it wasnt then how would people have been doing it for ever way before our soicites got beyond the small nomad family.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No, ime asking for examples of where a women does independantly want a child.
lol, and what, to you, would constitute proof that a woman independantly wanted a child?
Originally posted by Burning thought
And yes they can be socially brain washed to get fullfillment, it happens all the time doesnt it, especially in the young when a child wants a toy in an advertisement just because it looks nice in the images they get amount of fullfillment out of gaining it. Fashion is another one for older people, Fashion designers make people want to buy their products, they make them feel out of place with soceity if they dont fullfill their fashion "needs" and then by gaining that item the person feels good about themselves, even if it is just a ploy from Fashion designers/merchants for their products to be bought and they dont care about the faceless unknown people and how they look in the products.Popularity is another sad depravity of the social view which is a good example of gaining fullfillment. If someone is not populour or does not feel they are they get upset, wheras if they are "populour" they feel good about themselves, they get fullfillment. Even if their a massively fake person, there are many people who are massively fake, if youve ever seen that "sweet sixteen" program, you can see how the younger generations gain fullfillment out of the view that their populour just because they happen to have a massive list of people going to their parties, they dont sit down it seems and think "well none of these people hardly even know me, their just using me and my party for entertainment", they simply think of how populour they are, which ofc is a fake soceity view but a potent one.
what would you say the social influences of being unpopular are?
obviously I disagree with all of this. It is juvenille, especially in the light of the most basic developmental psychology.
For instance, you speak a language, you developed it from social interaction, thus, you are a drone. ta da!
Originally posted by Burning thought
Independants are variable because they can choose as they will.
so, I thought of a couple of ways about how to respond to this. I think the best way is to sort of explain how I think it is emblematic of how you respond to things.
For instance: I said the term "independant variable" almost specifically because I didn't think you would get it. And you didn't. An IV is the variable in an experiment (like you glibly said you were running) which is manipulated in order to produce changes in the Dependant variable (what is measured). You can be excused for not knowing this. I don't think its excuseable for you to have not even taken the 30 seconds that would have been necessary to look it up on wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_variable).
Now, like I said, I can't expect you to know anything that I know, especially stuff that I know is rarified within certain fields of study, but you totally disregarded what I put, and answered it with some ambigious nonsense about "independents" and "choice". From any realistic stand point, what you said might as well have been "Durps are durp because they can durp to durp".
I know what it is like to be 19 and really smart, just calm down and keep reading. There really are people out there who are trying to, empirically look at what you are talking about. There are 1000s of articles, especially in feminist literature, about why women have children. You need to learn the barest of humility, lest you think, at 19, you have access to some knowledge or logic that nobody knows.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, all those women, being slaves to their hormone 😄No difference between them at all 😄
All just breeding machines that love having themz children 😄
You guys didn't realize it's the 21st century, right? Just a tip, if you ever encounter one, we also don't think niggers are stupid anymore.
Let me know when you encounter one. When you do, let me know when they talk about having kids, start crying when you say you don't want any, and kick you in the nuts after breaking up with you for being a selfish prick.
Don't act like you're superior to them because you have no clue. They're just as right, if no more right, than you are. I'll let that last comment gestate (yes, I used that word on purpose) with you and maybe you'll understand what I'm getting at.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
He was quite obviously being sarcastic, you fool.
How the **** does my post indicate that I missed his sarcasm? You're post doesn't even make sense IF you read my post, fool.
Edit-I see now. You didn't understand my post at all. You think I'm arguing that his post was correct on the first three points. Dude, get some sleep.
Originally posted by dadudemonWell, my girlfriend, for one, doesn't want children.
Let me know when you encounter one. When you do, let me know when they talk about having kids, start crying when you say you don't want any, and kick you in the nuts after breaking up with you for being a selfish prick.Don't act like you're superior to them because you have no clue. They're just as right, if no more right, than you are. I'll let that last comment gestate (yes, I used that word on purpose) with you and maybe you'll understand what I'm getting at.
I have a few female friends that don't want children.
The generalization was idiotic on their part. And I stand by that.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosIndeed...negroes and stuff.
He was quite obviously talking about niggers, you fool.313