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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I . . . I can be with Bardock? But they said it was illegal here.

I've given you plenty of points. You've given none.

I can't give a logical answer to something that has no logical basis. You've yet to form an argument, everything so far has been irrelevant ranting.

Sure I have, how Have i not pointed out to you that simply having the need to have sex is not a compeletly independant notion that is not instinct or soceity based? how have I not made it obvious that survival of your race is not instinctual, ofc it is, since every animal has the same need for survival.

I think that irrelvent ranting is simply text you are too lazy to read or are not intelligent enough to understand "shrug". If you have difficulty with somethng quote it and ill help you out.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Sure I have, how Have i not pointed out to you that simply having the need to have sex is not a compeletly independant notion that is not instinct or soceity based? how have I not made it obvious that survival of your race is not instinctual, ofc it is, since every animal has the same need for survival.

So you just want to cry about reality? Have fun, you'll never accomplish anything and people will (quite justifiably) mock you. But have fun anyway.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I think that irrelvent ranting is simply text you are too lazy to read or are not intelligent enough to understand "shrug". If you have difficulty with somethng quote it and ill help you out.

😆

Originally posted by Burning thought
good.

I think you misunderstand me.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No, my argument is also that People are genrally completly influenced by those things, religion, fashion, soceity views as a whole, the problem is, it stuffs peoples minds from when their young full of so much nonsense, from overall soceity views like "my friend smokes so i will, I dont care if it says ill die on the packet...my friend does it!" sort of thing.

Do you have any prove whatsoever that they are completely influenced by that? And wouldn't the difference in believes even among similarly educated (or even brainwashed) people, be indication that there is at least some independent difference?

And my I ask in what way you are not influenced by such things?

Originally posted by Burning thought
I define independant thought as thoughts where a person can give reasons for their actions based on human notions from their [b]OWN belief, to be their own indepdant person, when they make decisions that are not controlled by soceity, when in some countries people say "Gay" is wrong just because soceity thinks so. [/B]

That's a ridiculous definition. You disregard thought because a few people came to the same conclusion? Why should everyone have a different "own" belief. If some belief makes perfect sense to people (like apparently Christianity does to many) why would they need a belief that's not common for it to be independent? Just idiotic. You don't want independence, you want uniqueness (quite different).

Originally posted by Burning thought
Pretty evident and most peple would agree? you mean soceity would agree? 😄 yeh ofc....

Well, no necessarily society, but people reading the discourse we had. I mean, it's probably provable (if we pretend that psychology is a science (which we really shouldn't)), but at least I am not willing to pay for psycho analysis for you and you are probably not willing to be subjected to it, just to settle a silly argument on the Internet.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you just want to cry about reality? Have fun, you'll never accomplish anything and people will (quite justifiably) mock you. But have fun anyway.

😆

ime not crying at all, ime simply trying to show people the saddity behind actions, what made you think ime crying? or is that a soceity based view youve got there that anyone who has a view beyond your own their crying about it? the reality is not humans being animals, reality is that "most" humans are animals.

People? you mean soceity, this very conversation is giving me what I want, the answer ime looking for....there is no answer to this instinctual mess and that you perhaps and those who "mock" without reason can just

😆 yh ime right, glad you see the funny side of sloth.

You're an absolute retard.

Originally posted by Burning thought
ime not crying at all, ime simply trying to show people the saddity behind actions, what made you think ime crying? or is that a soceity based view youve got there that anyone who has a view beyond your own their crying about it? the reality is not humans being animals, reality is that "most" humans are animals.

Too literal. Crying = Complaining

You're throwing a lot accusations and generalizations around without any basis whatsoever.

All humans are animals. This false personal sense of liberation you have is comical at best, pathetic at worst.

Originally posted by Burning thought
People? you mean soceity

Thinking people.

Originally posted by Burning thought
this very conversation is giving me what I want

Attention that your parents and other kids at school never gave you?

Originally posted by Burning thought
there is no answer to this instinctual mess and that you perhaps and those who "mock" without reason can just :laugh

So you're going to cry, admit that you can't do anything about it, then cry when someone points out that you're making an ass of yourself for no reason?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think you misunderstand me.

Do you have any prove whatsoever that they are completely influenced by that? And wouldn't the difference in believes even among similarly educated (or even brainwashed) people, be indication that there is at least some independent difference?

And my I ask in what way you are not influenced by such things?

That's a ridiculous definition. You disregard thought because a few people came to the same conclusion? Why should everyone have a different "own" belief. If some belief makes perfect sense to people (like apparently Christianity does to many) why would they need a belief that's not common for it to be independent? Just idiotic. You don't want independence, you want uniqueness (quite different).

Well, no necessarily society, but people reading the discourse we had. I mean, it's probably provable (if we pretend that psychology is a science (which we really shouldn't)), but at least I am not willing to pay for psycho analysis for you and you are probably not willing to be subjected to it, just to settle a silly argument on the Internet.

proof? You can see it all around you, the fake arrogent people who hang around now days, from my own view as I showed earier with the 14 year old example, even at such a young age she belives children are her future and her only one, labelling people etc, and this carries on for a long time until the social view of "gays" being wrong is imprinted on their minds, not just gays ofc but many groups that are not seen as socially sound.

As ive said already, what makes me diffrent (independant thinker) from a sheep, a random every day arrogent who belives whatever he/she has learnt from social beliefs, whether its gays are all wrong, children are the highest form of life etc, smoking (in some social groups) is a act of "cool", this happens to both young people and older, problem is when their young (you learn more/capable of learning more in the first 7 years of life than the rest or so ive heard) imprints the ideals of soceity since you cant just randomly stop believing something youve been rammed with for the past years. What makes me diffrent is that as an independant thinker, I dont smoke if the people I am with do so, I dont have sex just because Ime attracted to someone, I dont blindly follow beliefs and social taboos.

A few people? ime not just thinking of a few people, ime thinking of soceity as a whole, being gay on a whole is not seen as "wrong" from one point of view, which is why many ages see calling someone gay as a derogatory term when its simply a sexual preferance. Yet later on those same people may start smoking, ignoring packets that say "smoking kills" just because their social group does so, its when theres logical sense in doing something, and only perhaps a few do it for their own reasons when its independant. its social control when everyone does something or when a view is seen as correct to a larger group of people and so other people, especially younger generations see that as "correct" and follow it simply because thats whats said. Same with too many people who follow beliefs of large groups just because they want to fit in.

ofcourse not, but then since were not going to do that and were not going to actually prove it, simply saying "many people will agree" is foolish since its irrelvent to the argument.

Originally posted by Burning thought
As ive said already, what makes me diffrent (independant thinker) from a sheep, a random every day arrogent who belives whatever he/she has learnt from social beliefs, whether its gays are all wrong, children are the highest form of life etc, smoking (in some social groups) is a act of "cool", this happens to both young people and older, problem is when their young (you learn more/capable of learning more in the first 7 years of life than the rest or so ive heard) imprints the ideals of soceity since you cant just randomly stop believing something youve been rammed with for the past years. What makes me diffrent is that as an independant thinker, I dont smoke if the people I am with do so, I dont have sex just because Ime attracted to someone, I dont blindly follow beliefs and social taboos.

Sort of like practically ever human.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Too literal. Crying = Complaining

You're throwing a lot accusations and generalizations around without any basis whatsoever.

All humans are animals. This false personal sense of liberation you have is comical at best, pathetic at worst.

Thinking people.

Attention that your parents and other kids at school never gave you?

So you're going to cry, admit that you can't do anything about it, then cry when someone points out that you're making an ass of yourself for no reason?

You were poking at my grammar earlier.....now I cant be literal?

I asked you earlier, quote the exact pieces and ill make sense of them for you if you are confused. I can throw generalisation since thats what Soceity control and dronage is. And yes theres a basis, the hundreds of arrogent people who belive smoking is cool so they do it, thats one social example of stupidity where people dont think for themselves.

No not quite, although technically humans are animals, we are not the average dog or cat in intelligence (although you "may" make an exception like most drones), although I could just turn that around and say your sad ideal that everything people do including yourself is completly their own ideals is worst.

Soceity, yeh I thot so.

Whats that? a derogatory joke from a worthless internet name that ime going to apprently feel hurt from? no, ime getting the evidence of what Drones are, and as soon as they cant explain their own beliefs (which are soceities not their own but they like to think its their own) they start to toss around insults.

Oh not really, cant do anything about it? theres always a way, tbh though my only interest in this forum is knowing that I am infact correct, which your showing me, thanks.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
You're an absolute retard.

mm more evidence for social dronage. excellent.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Sort of like practically ever human.

err not really, since I could prob find so many posts in this forum and examples from people around the world who follow society beliefs, are you American? America for example has one of the largest systems for controlling people, the social belief system makes so many arrogent people, racist people, sexist people etc etc.

Hell lets take an example from this forum, ill call it Specimen: Symmetric Chaos, now this species of Drone has the incredible need to consistently either bash or deny regardless of the debate at hand, he will use a combination of rowdy social tactics such as weak jokes that are supposed to insult to get a grip on his slipping argument that it seems he cannot explain, reasons why he cant? because their not his views, their soceities.

How exactly do you know that all these people smoke because it's "cool"? Sounds to me like you've bought into the idea of the existence of playground peer pressure; not to say that it doesn't exist, but you seem to think of it as some sort of epidemic - therefore making you just another sheep.

Also, are you kicking off about what's perceives as "cool" because you never were perceived that way? I know it must be hard, having the only thing going for you debating about comics, but you are by no means the only one of your kind.

Originally posted by Burning thought
err not really, since I could prob find so many posts in this forum and examples from people around the world who follow society beliefs, are you American? America for example has one of the largest systems for controlling people, the social belief system makes so many arrogent people, racist people, sexist people etc etc.

Such an apparently intelligent person, yet you can't even read my clearly exhibited location.

How dare you group him in with comic debaters like me.

BT, if you want to be taken seriously, back your arguments up with either proof or some kind of logical basis for it, not just your own opinion.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
How exactly do you know that all these people smoke because it's "cool"? Sounds to me like you've bought into the idea of the existence of playground peer pressure; not to say that it doesn't exist, but you seem to think of it as some sort of epidemic - therefore making you just another sheep.

Also, are you kicking off about what's perceives as "cool" because you never were perceived that way? I know it must be hard, having the only thing going for you debating about comics, but you are by no means the only one of your kind.

Such an apparently intelligent person, yet you can't even read my clearly exhibited location.

because I know a lot of people, why else would a person smoke if it were not for their street cred? I speak to a lot of people, being only 19 myself I am and have been at the exact place where the social control is strongest and in the past, where it starts.

"cool" is a childish term usually used for the drones/socially controlled, its basically a word that is also useful in advertisement because putting words used by youth into things make it seem more desirable to have something, thing is that word is overused by them making a lot of corny advertisements but none the less, it has worked. And btw, I dont debate comics m8 😆 whats funny is your the embodiment of what ime talking about, your judging me now because of debating comics, lets say i did debate comics then what? does that make me wrong? ime wrong because I debate comics? thankfullly I dont, I wouldnt want to lose my quiclky diminishing important popularity in your eyes....

I'm also 19, why have I not yet inherited this fountain of knowledge, oh wise one?

No it wouldn't make you wrong, that bit was quite clearly a joke.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I'm also 19, why have I not yet inherited this fountain of knowledge, oh wise one?

No it wouldn't make you wrong, that bit was quite clearly a joke.

Well either your a drone and so wouldnt understand it since it is based around you and so you wouldnt like to belive that your not choosing everything you do, OR you simply understnad it but dont realise it openly. I dont see whats so hard about understnad that so many people do things just because soceity pushes them that way.

It sounds like the typical BS a drone would come out with, "perhaps your insecure because you debate comics and dont have a life ya hahaha!!" before taking a puff on your death stick and giggling with your drug abusing m8s, its a typical drone response but interesting for research purposes.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well either your a drone and so wouldnt understand it since it is based around you and so you wouldnt like to belive that your not choosing everything you do, OR you simply understnad it but dont realise it openly. I dont see whats so hard about understnad that so many people do things just because soceity pushes them that way.

It sounds like the typical BS a drone would come out with, "perhaps your insecure because you debate comics and dont have a life ya hahaha!!" before taking a puff on your death stick and giggling with your drug abusing m8s, its a typical drone response but interesting for research purposes.

So, either he agrees with you and mindlessly follows what you say or he is a sheep.

Burning thought,

From your profile:

"very important quote, if you belive in weightless and void comments, weightless assumptions, populairty of a character beating powers and feets then watch this video, several times until the message settles in"

Considering the non-argument dribble you've unleashed in this thread alone, that is irony at it's finest.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I can send a PM to inimalist or xmarksthespot, they can probably state studies of such a nature.

in_love

Neuroplasticity

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well either your a drone and so wouldnt understand it since it is based around you and so you wouldnt like to belive that your not choosing everything you do, OR you simply understnad it but dont realise it openly. I dont see whats so hard about understnad that so many people do things just because soceity pushes them that way.

It sounds like the typical BS a drone would come out with, "perhaps your insecure because you debate comics and dont have a life ya hahaha!!" before taking a puff on your death stick and giggling with your drug abusing m8s, its a typical drone response but interesting for research purposes.

There's a lot of people who would disagree with you, most of them a lot more qualified. Take a great number of revolutionary poets and novelists - they took part in a very hedonistic lifestyle and it has always been seen to be a movement against conventional society - "The path of excess leads to the palace of wisdom" William Blake.

I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying now - are you suggesting that society wants people to smoke and take drugs? Surely that could lead to unemployment and death, which would be a loss of taxes.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So, either he agrees with you and mindlessly follows what you say or he is a sheep.

He reminds me of Starhawk.