Children

Originally posted by Burning thought
theres a guy up in the Hadron collider project who is claimed to be as clever as Hawking, but hes nowhere near as famous. Fame is yet another one of those fake things that people throw around to try and impress people, it doesnt occur to them that many celebrities who are famous are complete idiots.

I'm sorry, do you consider yourself to be even remotely qualified to make sweeping statements about any facet of human behaviour?

Like, would you consider yourself "knowledgeable" about "psychology"?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes because if they "just want to" for no apprent reason, their following instinct...obviously....you dont just "want to" do something. Theres usually reasons.

Everything someone does they could be able to explain a reason why, if they dont then their doing it because of soceity or perhaps instinct.

All your theory is is a very juvenile and narrow minded version of determinism.

Originally posted by Robtard
See, Strawhawkian, told you.

seems so, but do we know if he is a law student?

Originally posted by inimalist
my God, at least quote some Asch at me or something... [Asch conformity experiments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments]

this may become another "sharia courts" thing for me, but I'll try to look up the stuff about social influences.

Burning Thought: ummm, if I post peer-reviewed empirical studies of human behaviour, is that a valid counter-point to your independant observations? Like, say I find a study that describes inter-personal bonding in relation to mere exposure and proximity, and not to things like "being cool", do you think it has more authority than your personal beliefs?

EDIT: Oh, I think you missed above. How could I run an experiment to determine if someone is a drone or not? What are objective characteristics of "drone" which both you and I could confirm. So like, there would be no disagreement if me and you observed someone whether or not they would meet your criteria.

Thats a fairly good example. But I shouldnt need to give you information on social behavior since I assume you dont live under a rock....do you?

If you can find a study that shows me that a woman or a person in general can do things independantly without any obvious instinctual/soceity view and give reasons for it then I will be pleased. But remember my main question is to whether or not a woman can give reasons for wanting to have a child and having it more important than anything else in their life while proving social/instinctual views dont come into play then you may have something of interest.

Been around a bit long to be Starhawk, though the likeness is startling. Perhaps it's his sociology student brother?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Been around a bit long to be Starhawk, though the likeness is startling. Perhaps it's his sociology student brother?

Originally posted by inimalist
seems so, but do we know if he is a law student?

Not saying it is for certain, but the MO is uncanny.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Meh, I agree, generally, but since you have not produced anything close to proof of anything, but only statements based on **** all, I figured I'd go for the second best, which would be at least some professional acceptance.

I asked you earlier to show me the reasons for your own girfriend not wanting children, did you see it or ignore that question?

Statements based on the overall activities of human beings, both me and Dadudemon have shown reasons, what are you looking for? some random report. You could just look at most programs and reality shows to see the sad little fakeness edged into the minds of most people, and that fakeness is derived from social/instinct means

Originally posted by inimalist
I'm sorry, do you consider yourself to be even remotely qualified to make sweeping statements about any facet of human behaviour?

Like, would you consider yourself "knowledgeable" about "psychology"?

Can you give me a reaosn why a qualification means much of anything?

to gain a qualification you simply need to have the right random grades and then get the job of psychologist, I know many friends who do Psychology and personally I can often read people, I think looking into peoples minds is fairly easy especially when its staring you in the face.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I think looking into peoples minds is fairly easy especially when its staring you in the face.

George W. Bush wants his line back.

I was not even aware the man said something like that, interesting however

Originally posted by Burning thought
I was not even aware the man said something like that, interesting however

He said it in regards to Putin I believe, then again, George Bush can really come off as a completely hopeless imbecile.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats a fairly good example. But I shouldnt need to give you information on social behavior since I assume you dont live under a rock....do you?

LOL!

that study was proof of what you are saying. I have now contributed more proof to support your position than you have.

and yes, you would have to provide me with information. Else you are just making things up based on your biased account of the world.

In the real world, where people want real answers, rather than (and chilli put it best) juvenile ambiguities, you NEED to be able to show why you are correct. You need to do it in a way that, even if I ran some observations without you, I would be able to come to the exact same conclusions. Science, baby kisses.

Originally posted by Burning thought
If you can find a study that shows me that a woman or a person in general can do things independantly without any obvious instinctual/soceity view and give reasons for it then I will be pleased. But remember my main question is to whether or not a [b]woman can give reasons for wanting to have a child and having it more important than anything else in their life while proving social/instinctual views dont come into play then you may have something of interest. [/B]

lol

umm wow.

needless to say, no studies will show that, because it is a) based of your subjective interpretation of what a drone is and b) thats not actually how things work or the argument I've been making.

I would (and hopefully will) argue that there is no way to distinguish between "socially motivated" choices/development/etc and "internally/genetically/personally/etc" generated ones. In fact, the distinction between external and internal development are illusorary and based on ideas lost decades ago in psychology.

Ive said neuroplasticity 3 times now (at least). I REALLY suggest you look it up.

Originally posted by Robtard
He said it in regards to Putin I believe, then again, George Bush can really come off as a completely hopeless imbecile.

Burning thought shares that gift.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I asked you earlier to show me the reasons for your own girfriend not wanting children, did you see it or ignore that question?

Statements based on the overall activities of human beings, both me and Dadudemon have shown reasons, what are you looking for? some random report. You could just look at most programs and reality shows to see the sad little fakeness edged into the minds of most people, and that fakeness is derived from social/instinct means

Ignored

Both you and dadudemon have given anecdotal evidence. DDM at least admitted it.

Originally posted by inimalist
LOL!

that study was proof of what you are saying. I have now contributed more proof to support your position than you have.

and yes, you would have to provide me with information. Else you are just making things up based on your biased account of the world.

In the real world, where people want real answers, rather than (and chilli put it best) juvenile ambiguities, you [b]NEED to be able to show why you are correct. You need to do it in a way that, even if I ran some observations without you, I would be able to come to the exact same conclusions. Science, baby kisses.

lol

umm wow.

needless to say, no studies will show that, because it is a) based of your subjective interpretation of what a drone is and b) thats not actually how things work or the argument I've been making.

I would (and hopefully will) argue that there is no way to distinguish between "socially motivated" choices/development/etc and "internally/genetically/personally/etc" generated ones. In fact, the distinction between external and internal development are illusorary and based on ideas lost decades ago in psychology.

Ive said neuroplasticity 3 times now (at least). I REALLY suggest you look it up. [/B]

Its an example of what I am saying, fact does not really need proof, since proof can be found for this in most reality shows, comedies laughing at the way people are etc etc.

You can easily see how ime correct in the fact that people do act like what ive stated, people are manipulated by soceity and you can see it in many areas but mostly in colledges/universities and find out by talking to people of varying ages.

Ive looked it up many times, quote from the wiki article what is relevent to your point?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes because if they "just want to" for no apprent reason, their following instinct...obviously....you dont just "want to" do something. Theres usually reasons.

Everything someone does they could be able to explain a reason why, if they dont then their doing it because of soceity or perhaps instinct.

ok so i listen to manowar because i want to and like them

there is no other reason my society didnt program me to cuz i dont know anybody else who listens to them i found them out by accident

o i'm drone for that too because i dont have a reason for liking them

Originally posted by Burning thought
Its an example of what I am saying, fact does not really need proof, since proof can be found for this in most reality shows, comedies laughing at the way people are etc etc.

You can easily see how ime correct in the fact that people do act like what ive stated, people are manipulated by soceity and you can see it in many areas but mostly in colledges/universities and find out by talking to people of varying ages.

Ive looked it up many times, quote from the wiki article what is relevent to your point?

Your proof is in reality tv and comedy shows?

Good luck convincing anyone who knows anything about the fields of psychology and sociology.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Ignored

Both you and dadudemon have given anecdotal evidence. DDM at least admitted it.

i thought so lol....follows in with exactley what I thought, regardless of your nay saying I can find so much information from this alone.

The evidence shows how people act however, you can find out by talking to people, by watching reality shows etc. A scientific study is simply what me and DDM has already done, only diffrence is the scientist has the title "scientist" but any fool can understand people being manipulated by soceity or instinctual notions.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The evidence shows how people act however, you can find out by talking to people, by watching reality shows etc. A scientific study is simply what me and DDM has already done, only diffrence is the scientist has the title "scientist" but any fool can understand people being manipulated by soceity or instinctual notions.

No you haven't.

Originally posted by jalek moye
ok so i listen to manowar because i want to and like them

there is no other reason my society didnt program me to cuz i dont know anybody else who listens to them i found them out by accident

o i'm drone for that too because i dont have a reason for liking them

If theyve done nothing to make you like them yet you do anyway, then ime not sure what that is, its not Drone, its simply the fact you probably dont know the reason but if nobody in your soceity likes/knows them then you cant be a drone and a human doesnt have instinct to listen to music 😛

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
No you haven't.

Indeed we have, we have seen what people do/say and so we can make our mind up on those people, its a study on what people do, you can find out from almost anywhere.