Originally posted by Starscream M
No weapons, no powers...pure slugfest. Who wins?
Punisher know how to fight thanks to his government training, after his family death he used that training including his guns to maul down criminal and crime lords, but take away his guns, he doesn't stand a chance against Cyclop who trained to fight enhanced mutants and villains.
Originally posted by BUSTER1
Punisher- too tough for Scott to handle
7/10 Cyclops h2h 😈
Cyclops is IMO a more skilled combatant but Frank has a grocery list of other advantages. He has a strength and weight advantage, he fights dirty, really dirty, and overall much more brutal than Cyclops, and most importantly he has demi-god like damage soak. Short of killing him there is no sure way to put Frank down for the count, his durability / damage soak is insane.
Originally posted by vansonbee
Cyclop will beat Punisher in h2h combat, Cyclop has already know how fight, but after losing his leadership to the X-men from Storm. He trained in Judo and blind fighting against Thugs.Punisher know how to fight thanks to his government training, after his family death he used that training including his guns to maul down criminal and crime lords, but take away his guns, he doesn't stand a chance against Cyclop who trained to fight enhanced mutants and villains.
What means he tougher? His family die? boo hoo, Scott has to witness children slaughter and die under a bomb attack. He was their guardian. MAN UP
7/10 Cyclops h2h 😈
When I said tougher, I was obviously refering to Frank's physical toughness. His ability to take damage is phenomenal. He is also very good at h2h. Too many people make the mistake in thinking that Punisher is just a thug with a gun, and that unarmed, he is helpless. He has held his own against Daredevil, who is way above Cyclops h2h.
Originally posted by BUSTER1
When I said tougher, I was obviously refering to Frank's physical toughness. His ability to take damage is phenomenal. He is also very good at h2h. Too many people make the mistake in thinking that Punisher is just a thug with a gun, and that unarmed, he is helpless. He has held his own against Daredevil, who is way above Cyclops h2h.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cyclops is IMO a more skilled combatant but Frank has a grocery list of other advantages. He has a strength and weight advantage, he fights dirty, really dirty, and overall much more brutal than Cyclops, and most importantly he has demi-god like damage soak. Short of killing him there is no sure way to put Frank down for the count, his durability / damage soak is insane.
Originally posted by vansonbee
You know that was full of pis, standing up against DD.
Did you mean durable standing up against DD?
Any chance you have any scans of his matchup against DD?
I don't have any to hand, but they exist, on the Punisher Resect thread. And pls tell me why its PIS for punisher to stand up to DD. Punisher is highly skilled in h2h, though not on the same level as DD, and both men are not physically superhuman. Punisher like DD has taken on gangs of thugs single handedly, without shooting and beaten them up, without sustaining injury. As I keep saying PUNISHER IS NOT JUST A THUG WITH A GUN
Originally posted by Starscream MThis is coming from the handbook.
what kind of strength and weight advantage does Frank have over Cyclops?
Weight: Punisher- 200 lb's Fighting Skills: Punisher: 5
Weight: Cyclops- 185 lb's Fighting Skills: Cyclops: 4
Here at KMC in our "Ranks for MA's" thread we have Punisher 3rd Tier(Highly Skilled Martial Artist) and Cyclops 4th Tier(Trained Martial Artist).
I think that Cyclops will be out of his element fighting w/o his powers against someone so good. He's so used to having his optic blasts Wheras Frank would be fighting in his element. Yes Cyclops is more skilled then the average punks Punisher deals with but surely Scott isn't an obstacle he can't overcome. This guy has held his own against Daredevil and Captain America at times. Now don't chew me out for saying that, I know what Cap did to him in Civil War and that 9/10 times Daredevil and Punisher fight Daredevil ends up winning. But just saying he has good showings against him. Cyclops has better showings I'm sure. But were they w/ his powers or w/o? I think it would be the latter.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
This is coming from the handbook.Weight: Punisher- 200 lb's Fighting Skills: Punisher: 5
Weight: Cyclops- 185 lb's Fighting Skills: Cyclops: 4Here at KMC in our "Ranks for MA's" thread we have Punisher 3rd Tier(Highly Skilled Martial Artist) and Cyclops 4th Tier(Trained Martial Artist).
I think that Cyclops will be out of his element fighting w/o his powers against someone so good. He's so used to having his optic blasts Wheras Frank would be fighting in his element. Yes Cyclops is more skilled then the average punks Punisher deals with but surely Scott isn't an obstacle he can't overcome. This guy has held his own against Daredevil and Captain America at times. Now don't chew me out for saying that, I know what Cap did to him in Civil War and that 9/10 times Daredevil and Punisher fight Daredevil ends up winning. But just saying he has good showings against him. Cyclops has better showings I'm sure. But were they w/ his powers or w/o? I think it would be the latter.
Ahhh scott is bit low on that bar, I say best go either way.