Well I was under the impression slugfest is just punching the shit out of each other, no dodging or blocking just punching the shit out of each other till one drops. Kinda like Sentry and WWh, at any rate there is signifcantly less skill in a slugfest as opposed to h2h.
h2h wouldnt just involve punches, all sorts of stuff. A slugest certainly wouldnt involve throws and chokeholds.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
As far as I know, slugfest = punch after punch. I mean, Frank punches Scott and then Scott punches Frank and so on and so on, no dodging, no MA skills, no kicks... am I right?
Thats what I thought.
Originally posted by Raoul
when i think slugfest, i usually just assume it means pure physical combat with no extra powers (like speed), just reflexes, strength, durability and skill...need starscream to be more specific...
Nah man im pretty sure slugfest isnt really skill. I mean skill in punches would be helpful but it would be alot less skilled than a h2h fight.
Originally posted by Raoul
did i say he was? honestly, i don't remember saying he was... i might have said it, though...
Somebody said he was and you agreed....i'll go check.
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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cyclops is IMO a more skilled combatant but Frank has a grocery list of other advantages. He has a strength and weight advantage, he fights dirty, really dirty, and overall much more brutal than Cyclops, and most importantly he has demi-god like damage soak. Short of killing him there is no sure way to put Frank down for the count, his durability / damage soak is insane.
Originally posted by Raoul
for once, we're in full agreement lol...
I edited my post and put quotes heres is the page.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=494699&pagenumber=2
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I edited my post and put quotes heres is the page.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=494699&pagenumber=2
oh, that, ok...
basically, my way of seeing is that cyclops would be a more technical fighter... he's studied his art forms, and become quite proficient, but he's still more of a MA than a brawler...
frank on the other hand, while well trained, tends to be more into the brawling side of things... not saying he doesn't have more training, i'm just saying he'd apply it differently to how cyclops would... he'd be more willing to fight dirty and so on, and more willing to take a punch if it leaves an opening...
hope that makes some sort of sense...
Originally posted by Raoul
oh, that, ok...basically, my way of seeing is that cyclops would be a more technical fighter... he's studied his art forms, and become quite proficient, but he's still more of a MA than a brawler...
frank on the other hand, while well trained, tends to be more into the brawling side of things... not saying he doesn't have more training, i'm just saying he'd apply it differently to how cyclops would... he'd be more willing to fight dirty and so on, and more willing to take a punch if it leaves an opening...
hope that makes some sort of sense...
Yeah that does actually. Makes perfect sense.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol but there no nearly as impressive if taken into account when they took places.
* well, that confuses me... however, the argument still stands that the one Cyclops defeated is still Wolverine and nobody else, right? i'd say as long as it's still canon, it's valid... 😛
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Can you prove this?Nah man I was under the impression that Frank Castle feats were much better I dont see where the element of the doubt is.
okay
Originally posted by vansonbee
Cyclop will beat Punisher in h2h combat, Cyclop has already know how fight, but after losing his leadership to the X-men from Storm. He trained in Judo and blind fighting against Thugs.Punisher know how to fight thanks to his government training, after his family death he used that training including his guns to maul down criminal and crime lords, but take away his guns, he doesn't stand a chance against Cyclop who trained to fight enhanced mutants and villains.
What means he tougher? His family die? boo hoo, Scott has to witness children slaughter and die under a bomb attack. He was their guardian. MAN UP
7/10 Cyclops h2h 😈
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cyclops is IMO a more skilled combatant but Frank has a grocery list of other advantages. He has a strength and weight advantage, he fights dirty, really dirty....
There you go. Personally I'm not a big fan of this. Cyclops is a natural leader, and even though he is an awesome martial artist he is all about the optic blasts. And the same for punisher, he is all about the guns. Without them they are both seriously handicapped.
And cyclops took down wolverine. Punisher did not. Also the villains they fight are really different. Punisher takes on thugs, mobsters and gangsters, Kingpin etc. While Cyclops has tackled everything and much more super-powered foes. Therefore Cyc has more experience.