Punisher vs Cyclops in H2H Combat

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Each branch of the military teaches h2h combat. They have master martial artists who come in and teach. Marine have the most advances training and even a normal soldier is taught how to effectivly fight well in h2h. Punisher took a number of advances trainings and special opts which train solider vastly in the area of h2h combat. Punisher was the best.

Not at all. scot a judo practitioner, punisher has far more varsitile training that is used for killing. Oh and Punisher also has done training of other MA styles out side the military which he shown mastery of, one of which is shown in the second to last page of the punisher respect thread.

I don't know where you got your info from, but the krav maga board I go to, that has actual people in the military talking about their experiences, say that they just have general CQC training.

They don't spend a whole lot of time on training them in hth, because since the invention of guns, missles, etc. it hasn't been that important.

Pretty sure Scott knows more than judo 😬

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't know where you got your info from, but the krav maga board I go to, that has actual people in the military talking about their experiences, say that they just have general CQC training.

They don't spend a whole lot of time on training them in hth, because since the invention of guns, missles, etc. it hasn't been that important.

Pretty sure Scott knows more than judo 😬

Yes they normal soldier recieve basic training however marine recieve greater trainign in h2h then other branches.

However this is only true for basic boot camp. Onces you take advances training as sniper, special opts ect. You recieve vastly more training in h2h. The are trained heavly in h2h combat during training to become a special opts. They also annual recieve training. They are also trained solo to kill, they are not taught to hold back many normal MA styles teach. They also are taught only effective moves.

actaully scot knows only two styles to my knowledge.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Krav maga more of an Israeli thing.

Yes they normal soldier recieve basic training however marine recieve greater trainign in h2h then other branches.

However this is only true for basic boot camp. Onces you take advances training as sniper, special opts ect. You recieve vastly more training in h2h. The are trained heavly in h2h combat during training to become a special opts. They also annual recieve training. They are also trained solo to kill, they are not taught to hold back many normal MA styles teach. They also are taught only effective moves.

actaully scot knows only two styles to my knowledge.

These are American soldiers learning Krav Maga so they can be proficient in CQC.

Again, I don't know where you got this info, do you have a source. I don't really care about this fight, I've just never heard what you're saying from the people I know in the military.

Originally posted by Mindset
These are American soldiers learning Krav Maga so they can be proficient in CQC.

Again, I don't know where you got this info, do you have a source. I don't really care about this fight, I've just never heard what you're saying from the people I know in the military.

both of which said the same thing.

you ever seen fight quest? The mix martial artist stated the military krav maga instructor would kick his ass.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
From my uncle who a marine for the last 30 years. An my aunt who been the army for the last 20 years. I was also told by an individual who trains Marine's in h2h combat.

both of which said the same thing.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
you ever seen fight quest? The mix martial artist stated the military krav maga instructor would kick his ass.

that's why im training in krav 🙂

Frank would win. More h2h feats and he's done pretty good against several of the best in Marvel. Frank ftw.

~Sado

Originally posted by Mindset
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It'd be more likely that Scott would have just as much or more hth training than Frank.

Whats that opinion based on?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Whats that opinion based on?

Good question

Punisher in a Stomp .

Frank is a much better natural fighter then Scott.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Whats that opinion based on?

Originally posted by Mindset
http://www.mutanthigh.com/games/martialarts/fight6.html

i have that issue lol... got it cheap too...

Frank for the considerable majority.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No he did not. He was able to dodge a wolverine who was a mental mess........and at the time was not writtin to be the top tier MA he is now.....if that fight happen now a day cyclopes would get destroy easily.

* did i read it right? (the underlined phrase) 😐

* correct me if i'm wrong, but Logan is a top tier martial artist because of his huge, horrendous past experience... the Logan who ran scared from Proteus then was no different from the Logan of today, dude...

Originally posted by Cavalier
Didn't Scott train hard after he lost the fight to Storm?

He started taking lessons from Wolverine, Beast, Pete, etc.

* i think not... i think it was implied that Scott only incorporated the fighting styles of his teammates into his own self-defense system and it was done impromtu (and his eyes closed) which makes it very impressive...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not at all. scot a judo practitioner, punisher has far more varsitile training that is used for killing. Oh and Punisher also has done training of other MA styles out side the military which he shown mastery of, one of which is shown in the second to last page of the punisher respect thread.

* Scott is not just a judo practitioner... he is a Judo expert and an Aikido expert, meaning he has black belts in those areas...

Originally posted by Mindset
they lied to you

Originally posted by peejayd
* did i read it right? (the underlined phrase) 😐

* correct me if i'm wrong, but Logan is a top tier martial artist because of his huge, horrendous past experience... the Logan who ran scared from Proteus then was no different from the Logan of today, dude...

that was not presented untill much later in the developement of his character

Originally posted by peejayd

* Scott is not just a judo practitioner... he is a Judo expert and an Aikido expert, meaning he has black belts in those areas...

I'm still in the middle with this with the slight majority leaning towards Scott, but the winner won't achieve victory easily, that much can be said.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yea becuases you know more about it then two people in the military and a man who trains military officers........ 🙄