Originally posted by Silent GuardianQuestion:
go watch Cyclops in X-men Evolution or check out Wolverine and the X-men episode 12 and tell me his skills are not bad ass. Personally, I feel the fight would not be so one-sided and much closer than everyone is saying.
Have you ever read a comic book? I'm just curious, is all.
Originally posted by Cavalier
Question:Have you ever read a comic book? I'm just curious, is all.
yea I have. But I mostly follow Spider-man, Batman, New Avengers, JLA (sometimes), Nightwing, Teen Titants, New blue Bettle. And then I just look at scans. But I have read a few Daredevil, Supergirl, Astonishing X-men, New X-men, Wonderwoman, Superman, Batman, Outsiders and a few others. I'm probably not as big a comic book buff as everyone else here but I am not ignorant.
Originally posted by Mindset
Well when I say X-men I guess I mean titles related to X-men.X-force: Cyclops sending Wolverine out to kill Mystique
Cable: Cyclops having Bishop tortured
Lol. Fair play I don't really read X-men that much.
Mystique is a *****. She deserved it.
Again no skin off my nose. 😉
I was really on about their fighting styles and comparing the two in the heat of combat. I wouldn't put it past Frank to try to chew off Scott's face if he was losing.
Originally posted by Silent GuardianFair enough. You seem nice. But you should know, if you keep using the cartoons as evidence (since they're not canonical, they don't count), people will laugh at you.
yea I have. But I mostly follow Spider-man, Batman, New Avengers, JLA (sometimes), Nightwing, Teen Titants, New blue Bettle. And then I just look at scans. But I have read a few Daredevil, Supergirl, Astonishing X-men, New X-men, Wonderwoman, Superman, Batman, Outsiders and a few others. I'm probably not as big a comic book buff as everyone else here but I am not ignorant.
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Originally posted by Warrior18I'm telling you that Scott will do what it takes to win, his morals aren't what they used to be.
Lol. Fair play I don't really read X-men that much.Mystique is a *****. She deserved it.
Again no skin off my nose. 😉
I was really on about their fighting styles and comparing the two in the heat of combat. I wouldn't put it past Frank to try to chew off Scott's face if he was losing.
Originally posted by Mindset
I'm telling you that Scott will do what it takes to win, his morals aren't what they used to be.
He's hardly Frank though surely. The guy is boderline psychotic. DD even pointed out that Frank's black and white view of the world is skewed and that he is one of the "crazy people". Meh guess I need to read more X-men. 😮
Originally posted by Silent GuardianThere you go. Personally I'm not a big fan of this. Cyclops is a natural leader, and even though he is an awesome martial artist he is all about the optic blasts. And the same for punisher, he is all about the guns. Without them they are both seriously handicapped.
Thats an exaggeration at least with Punisher
Originally posted by Silent GuardianAnd cyclops took down wolverine. Punisher did not. Also the villains they fight are really different. Punisher takes on thugs, mobsters and gangsters, Kingpin etc. While Cyclops has tackled everything and much more super-powered foes. Therefore Cyc has more experience.
It mgiht have been stated many times that Wolverine was not in the right state of mind. Punisher had a better showing than Shang Chi did against Wolverine and he was tired at the time.
Punisher has encountered lots of superhumans and currently thats what he does. Im assuming Cykes experince with superhumans is mainly not h2h.
Originally posted by Raoul
scott isn't on frank's level of whackery, but he's getting there...
At any rate hes always been shown to be very tough. Hes not going down without a fight.
I still think Cyclops being able to best Wolverine is a good feat. It's obvious he wouldn't beat him in a hand to hand fight, but I'd say he'd be able to hang with him. Wolverine is more skilled, it just depends on whether he plays it safe and goes technical or just tries to punch him.
If you look at real fighters, "skill" is usually a physical trait, instead of technique. What I'm saying is that things like reaction time, the speed of your punches (the aim if to have your arms as relaxed as possible just before the hit. It's all about acceleration). I also think knowing what to do in each situation is a vital part of a match. (What to do soon as you see a punch, there shouldn't be a delay between your thoughts and actions. You can't think for too long for whether to dodge or parry)
It's way more complicated in comics when the fighters know several styles, styles have weaknesses, nerve strikes and such are way more common. Etc
If you "master", let's say Krav Maga in real life, I'd wager you could pretty much hang with anyone, if they're physically similar to you. No matter what they practiced.
Yeah, besting animal-mode Wolverine who just got raped by Proteus is a really high feat 🙄 Not saying that Cyke isn't a good h2h fighter...
C'mon, Logan was in a fatal shape. His hands were shaking and he was silent for a good amount of time after Proteus-accident. Scott wanted him to shrug off this.
Back on the topic... Punisher wins the slugfest 10/10. If this were standard h2h fight, he'd win perhaps 6-7/10.
No matter what anyone has said- I say Frank without a doubt 9/10 h2h. Slugfest 10/10. He's too tough. Scott won't wilt like a weak flower, but he's up against someone on the same skill level, with much greater durability and who who is used to working alone, as opposed to having a team backing him up.