Originally posted by fangirl101
Twist it all you want. If the Power was truly the one above all's then the LT would have stopped the egyptian guy who was tapping into it. He is all knowing isn't he? If the power was the one above all's, the LT would have sealed it off, destroyed the universe it existed in, or cut it off like he did korvak's universe. If it were the one above all's power, then he would NOT have challenged thanos. He would have known better. And No panel does it say Thanos had THE ONE ABOVE ALL"S POWER. NO where. In no hand book. In nothing. Which is clearly who the LT references as his boss.
Originally posted by Allankles
Because the presence's power is above acquisition, he is the reality of DC. The fullness of his influence in DC cannot be condensed into an artifact. Basically he can create a HOTI and have a character achieve what Thanos did and still he'd be there beyond the scope of his creation.
You've been told before. HOTI is not an artifact.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I accept your concession, fangirl. 🙂 Thank you for knowing when to quit before you look like an absolute moron who has ignored repeated textual evidence.
Originally posted by fangirl101TOAA's plan was set in stone. Thanos couldn't change it. He was never The one above all. Never had his power. Which is of course, the ability make everything the way that he wants.
Thanos decided what to do, NOT TOAA.
"Sacrifice or the Void, are my options"
"Sacrifice" (create the Marvel Universe anew)
"or the Void" (leave the Marvel Universe nullified)
It was always Thanos' choice.
Again, will you please read a comic before posting. 🙂
Originally posted by Allankles
A source of power, regardless of what you call it, it was a power source created and conveniently left around for someone to come and claim it.
What did the Infinity Gauntlet do? Make someone God, grant total omnipotence. What does HOTI do once Thanos has it? Same thing, but instead of exerting external control, he becomes one with 'omni-reality' or the entire Marvel Universe.
Which is what The Presence does. In power, and in scope, they are equal. Absolutely and unequivocally.
Originally posted by AllanklesAll that's well and good but TOAA is a factor in Marvel not DC. So how have you addressed the position of TOAA as a fictional avatar?
You've said it yourself there are levels of omnipotence in the MU
have you even read these scans?
Originally posted by AllanklesTOAA being above LT.
Originally posted by AllanklesAll you're giving me is a story about a supreme being without reference to TOAA. If we're talking about the entirety of the MU this one story isn't relevant to our TOAA debate.
You keep claiming that TOAA is an in-Universe power, who is the Supreme authority.
Well, then what does that make the Infinity being who was the embodiment of ALL things,
who was the ONLY Sentience in existence,
who created everything, ALL Realities, and everything in them?
Originally posted by Mr Master
This story is very relevant.You keep claiming that TOAA is an in-Universe power, who is the Supreme authority.
Well, then what does that make the Infinity being who was the embodiment of ALL things,
who was the ONLY Sentience in existence,
who created everything, ALL Realities, and everything in them?
I don't know what you'd call him, but whatever it is you still got
"TOAA". Even outside of this whole HOTI debate, TOAA is still around regardless.
Originally posted by EnyalusWhat did the Infinity Gauntlet do? Make someone God, grant total omnipotence. What does HOTI do once Thanos has it? Same thing, but instead of exerting external control, he becomes one with 'omni-reality' or the entire Marvel Universe.
Which is what The Presence does. In power, and in scope, they are equal. Absolutely and unequivocally.
Originally posted by AllanklesI don't know what you'd call him, but whatever it is you still got
"TOAA".Even outside of this whole HOTI debate, TOAA is still around regardless.
Where was TOAA if the infinity being was everything, there was nothing else:
You got some other opinion besides unsupported speculations?
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
If memory serves me right,
wasn't Thanos competing with another MU character for the THOTI artifact (or whatever it is)?
I think it was Akhenaton or something like that.
Yes. But it was all part of TOAA's plan for Thanos to be the one who ends up wielding it. As stated in the comic.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Really?Where was TOAA if the infinity being was everything, there was nothing else:
You got some other opinion besides unsupported speculations?
Where was TOAA? I thought this was about TOAA? What does the infinity being have to do with TOAA and HOTI? Which opinion? You introduced the Infinity being an entirely different entity. If TOAA as a fictional entity hadn't been introduced in this story how is it relevant?
EDIT: And you're trying to compare the infinity being to the Presence, a guy who apparently couldn't bare the overwhelming loneliness of being omnipotent? The Presence has always been what he is, he understands what he is and in the DCU has no problems with whatever existence omnipotence has afforded him.
As I said unlike these other Supreme beings (Thanos was worried about enemies for instance) the Presence (as a Supreme Authority) has no worries as he is everything in DC. Asmodel found this out the hard way to his shame.
Originally posted by Allankles
Where was TOAA? I thought this was about TOAA? What does the infinity being have to do with TOAA and HOTI? Which opinion? You introduced the Infinity being an entirely different entity. If TOAA as a fictional entity hadn't been introduced in this story how is it relevant?
His point is that the Infinity Being was also the Supreme Being of the MU for a time. Meaning it's not just TOAA who equals The Presence.
Originally posted by AllanklesCan TOAA still be called omnipotent if HOTI makes Thanos omnipotent?
Get it?
There's the Marvel Omniverse (everything "in-universe" you can think of concerning Marvel)
and there's TOAA's heaven, a location outside the Omniverse,
from which TOAA draws everything that takes place "in-universe" (in the Omniverse)
Originally posted by AllanklesWhere's TOAA in all this?
Originally posted by occultdestroyerIf memory serves me right,
wasn't Thanos competing with another MU character for the THOTI artifact (or whatever it is)?
I think it was Akhenaton or something like that.
And Akhenaten got stomped by Thanos.
Let's not forget, Akhenaten had "mastered the THOTI"
which again proves, just how much more powerful Thanos became while merged to it.
