The Presence against The Heart of the Infinite

Originally posted by Allankles

Actually he is in-universe as Mr Master has shown. He draws the stories within the framework of fiction in the MU. He is the writer interposing his influence and presence as the writer within his own fiction i.e a fictional avatar of the writer.

Why would anyone categorize TOAA with his drawings?

Here's one of TOAA' Supreme beings:

There you go, now tell me that the Infinity Being wasn't the Supreme being.

What's greater than the entity above in those scans?

... googoogaga, there's another "authority" ey?

Even though the Infinity being was everything, and everything was it,
even though the Infinity being was the ONLY Sentience in creation.

Go ahead, and try your philosophy now. 🙂

Originally posted by fangirl101
So then, you are saying, he took the pen from Kirby and the words from the phone guy and took thier place? Where did they go? Or did they draw and create the whole story? Thus were still in control the entire time?

we all know he sounds like a broken record,youre the only one dumb enough to make him keep repeating himself! the facts have been in your face,open your eyes & look retard

Originally posted by Nestical
we all know he sounds like a broken record,youre the only one dumb enough to make him keep repeating himself! the facts have been in your face,open your eyes & look retard

First of all. I reported you. Secondly, Since Thanos was never the one above all, then he couldn't be marvel's God. And that is the fact of the matter.

Originally posted by fangirl101
So then, you are saying, he took the pen from Kirby and the words from the phone guy and took thier place? Where did they go? Or did they draw and create the whole story? Thus were still in control the entire time?

How many times do I have to say in-universe before the concept is able to reach your brain? Drawing the actual comic, what the TOAA does - is out-of-universe, being as it isn't happening in the MU. Clear? Good. I'm not repeating myself anymore.

Secondly, Since Thanos was never the one above all, then he couldn't be marvel's God. And that is the fact of the matter.

No, he only replaces TOAA as Marvel's God, as Thanos himself states. Guess what that means? He equals The Presence.

Originally posted by Allankles

And you also misinterpret my remarks. I've acknowledged that Thanos was the Supreme being but that was only because TOAA intended it to be so, he couldn't be removed from the picture because he's the final authority in the MU, much like the Presence.

Unless you're suggesting that the presence is real and speaks for itself.

Originally posted by Allankles

Even if the Presence wanted to be removed from the picture he couldn't because much like the Judeo-Christian God he embodies all that is in DC, the existence of everything there is dependent on him.

Marvel also has Yahweh, a direct copy of what God in the real world is,
yet, Cosmic powers like Eternity or even Kubik would curbstomp them.

Why, cause TOAA can do anything,
including making Thanos the Supreme being/Authority of a story.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And he draws Supreme beings to be Supreme beings with the stroke of his pencil.

Why would anyone categorize TOAA with his drawings?

Because he's just a (drum roll) fictional character? It is the writer interposing himself within his own fiction. Within the pages of this fiction is "TOAA" an avatar of the writer/artist within this fictional setting, in other words a fictional avatar of the writer.

We already know that the writer himself is not fictional, but once he causes the fourth wall implosion he creates a fictional avatar of himself within his very own fiction.

It's redundant, but what can we do?

Originally posted by Enyalus
How many times do I have to say [b]in-universe before the concept is able to reach your brain? Drawing the actual comic, what the TOAA does - is out-of-universe, being as it isn't happening in the MU. Clear? Good. I'm not repeating myself anymore.

No, he only replaces TOAA as Marvel's God, as Thanos himself states. Guess what that means? He equals The Presence. [/B]

Originally posted by fangirl101
Get that CRAP out of here. We debate comics here. everything is IN universe. the one above all is an IN UNIVERSE TERM AND being. It's a comic character. He happens to draw and write the stories from within the marvel verse. Don't repeat yourself. Please. save us all. We argue comics. Not bullshit 4th wall rhetoric. everything that happens on panel is what happens on panel. when it his the panel, it's up for debate. it's a comic. Thanos never took the one above all's power becuz he was never stated as having it or his place. he never influenced the story.

When the TOAA is literally drawing Ben and the storyline for the Fantastic Four, it's taking place from an out-of-universe perspective...because clearly, they aren't in the Marvel Universe setting anymore. Thus, out of universe.

In Universe is anything that happens within the MU's omniverse...like Thanos becoming the Supreme Being.

I can't help it if you don't understand the concept of in and out of universe.

Originally posted by Enyalus
When the TOAA is literally drawing Ben and the storyline for the Fantastic Four, it's taking place from an out-of-universe perspective...because clearly, they aren't in the Marvel Universe setting anymore. Thus, out of universe.

In Universe is anything that happens within the MU's omniverse...like Thanos becoming the Supreme Being.

I can't help it if you don't understand the concept of in and out of universe.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Did it happen on a marvel page/ then it was in the mavel reality.

Nice wording. It's canon. That's true. But it's not within the bounds of the Marvel Universe. And you're getting off subject.

Thanos was the Supreme Being of the MU. He was the Almighty. He was one with everything in the omniverse.

Everything that The Presence is to the DCU, Thanos with the HOTI is to the MU. Thus, they're equal.

Originally posted by Allankles

Because he's just a (drum roll) fictional character? It is the writer interposing himself within his own fiction. Within the pages of this fiction is "TOAA" an avatar of the writer/artist within this fictional setting, in other words a fictional avatar of the writer.

We already know that the writer himself is not fictional, but once he causes the fourth wall implosion he creates a fictional avatar of himself within his very own fiction.

Originally posted by Mr Master

There you go, now tell me that the Infinity Being wasn't the Supreme being.

What's greater than the entity above in those scans?

... googoogaga, there's another "authority" ey?

Even though the Infinity being was everything, and everything was it,
even though the Infinity being was the ONLY Sentience in creation.

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Originally posted by Enyalus
Nice wording. It's canon. That's true. But it's not within the bounds of the Marvel Universe. And you're getting off subject.

Thanos was the Supreme Being of the MU. He was the Almighty. He was one with everything in the omniverse.

Everything that The Presence is to the DCU, Thanos with the HOTI is to the MU. Thus, they're equal.

Originally posted by fangirl101

he never influenced the story.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The Presence is. was. and will be.
Thanos wasn't. Isn't. And isn't going to be. Almighty means just that. ALL mighty. In every area. Thanos was lacking the authority to govern his own destiny.

Almighty means whatever Marvel wants it to mean, which doesn't need to conform to your opinion. Eternity recognizes it. Thanos states it. Marvel's bio states he's the Supreme Being. You have no argument.

And as for lacking authority to govern his own destiny, that's a lie, too. He makes the choice to correct the flaw in the MU, or didn't you read the arc? That's governing his own destiny. Any other uniformed opinions and blind assertions you need shot down?

Originally posted by Enyalus
When the TOAA is literally drawing Ben and the storyline for the Fantastic Four, it's taking place from an out-of-universe perspective...because clearly, they aren't in the Marvel Universe setting anymore. Thus, out of universe.

In Universe is anything that happens within the MU's omniverse...like Thanos becoming the Supreme Being.

I can't help it if you don't understand the concept of in and out of universe.

Actually if TOAA is doing this within the confines of the narrative it's in-universe. If it's a how-to-draw-a-character panel, all this is irrelevant and TOAA wouldn't even exists within the MU.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Did it happen on a marvel page/ then it was in the mavel reality.

The Marvel Reality, and everything in it, is on paper & made of ink to TOAA.

When TOAA sent the FF back to Marvelverse, they went on one of his pieces of paper.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Almighty means whatever Marvel wants it to mean, which doesn't need to conform to your opinion. Eternity recognizes it. Thanos states it. Marvel's bio states he's the Supreme Being. You have no argument.

Originally posted by Enyalus

And as for lacking authority to govern his own destiny, that's a lie, too. He makes the choice to correct the flaw in the MU, or didn't you read the arc? That's governing his own destiny. Any other uniformed opinions and blind assertions you need shot down?

"didn't govern his own destiny" ... durlaugh

That's some funny crap coming from ignorance.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wrong, it happened in a so called "Heaven" located outside of creation.

The Marvel Reality, and everything in it, is on paper & made of ink to TOAA.

When TOAA sent the FF back to Marvelverse, they went on one of his pieces of paper.

Originally posted by fangirl101

And all of this occurred in the pages of an FF book?

thus still inside the marvel reality.

I told ya you're a liar.

TOAA was not in the Marvel reality, he was outside it in "Heaven" ...

TOAA literally had the Marvel reality on his drawing board.

Goodness, will you ever read a comic before posting gibberish?

Originally posted by Mr Master

What was all that supposed to prove? If the writer places himself within his own narrative fiction his character becomes a fictional avatar. Or are you trying to say transporting the FF via paper an ink in a comic is not part of the fiction?

The artist, drawing an artist transporting his fictional creations across his fiction in a piece of a comic panel. The writer never confuses that fiction with reality.

In reality he's just an artist drawing an avatar of himself interacting directly with his own creations, in reality this interaction is purely fictional. What's difficult to grasp?

EDIT: This fictional avatar he calls "TOAA", and he has supreme authority in that fictional universe alone, nowhere else. In DC the fictional equivalent is the Presence except he isn't directly referenced as the writers avatar (even though technically he is in reality).