Originally posted by Mr Master
There you go lying again.I told ya you're a liar.
TOAA was not in the Marvel reality, he was outside it in "Heaven" ...
TOAA literally had the Marvel reality on his drawing board.
Goodness, will you ever read a comic before posting gibberish?
A liar? Becuz I said the story happened in a FF book? You are a retard. Period.
Originally posted by Allankles
What was all that supposed to prove? If the writer places himself within his own narrative fiction his character becomes a fictional avatar. Or are you trying to say transporting the FF via paper an ink in a comic is not part of the fiction?The artist, drawing an artist transporting his fictional creations across his fiction in a piece of a comic panel. The writer never confuses that fiction with reality.
In reality he's just an artist drawing an avatar of himself interacting directly with his own creations, [b]in reality this interaction is purely fictional
. What's difficult to grasp? [/B]
Originally posted by AllanklesWhat was all that supposed to prove? If the writer places himself within his own narrative fiction his character becomes a fictional avatar. Or are you trying to say transporting the FF via paper an ink in a comic is not part of the fiction?
If you're gonna address my posts, be thorough.
Originally posted by AllanklesThe artist, drawing an artist transporting his fictional creations across his fiction in a piece of a comic panel. The writer never confuses that fiction with reality.
Originally posted by AllanklesIn reality he's just an artist drawing an avatar of himself interacting directly with his own creations, in reality this interaction is purely fictional.
What's difficult to grasp?
Originally posted by AllanklesEDIT: This fictional avatar he calls "TOAA", and he has supreme authority in that fictional universe alone, nowhere else. In DC the fictional equivalent is the Presence except he isn't directly referenced as the writers avatar (even though technically he is in reality).
Again, don't dodge it this time,
who is this if not the Supreme being/authority at the time?
It sure ain't TOAA. 🙂
But it sure sounds like what the Presence is. ✅
Originally posted by Enyalus
Allankles, you seem to have some sense. You've acknowledged that within the MU, Thanos was the Supreme Being.That means he stalemates The Presence, right?
Not really. The Presence encompasses all that is in DC, he is a single unique being like Thanos but he is more, he is also the very fabric/canvas of reality in DC. They can't stalemate because the Presence occupies a higher place in his fictional world, his power created it, and his power maintains its existence. Thanos became GOD, the Presence is and always has been GOD in DC, it's like comparing Thanos to TOAA pretty much, the Presence is the author of the reality within DC.
Originally posted by Allankles
Not really. The Presence encompasses all that is in DC, he is a single unique being like Thanos but he is more, he is also the very fabric/canvas of reality in DC. They can't stalemate because the Presence occupies a higher place in his fictional world, his power created it, and his power maintains its existence. Thanos became GOD, the Presence is and always has been GOD in DC, it's like comparing Thanos to TOAA pretty much, the Presence is the author of the reality within DC.
So, even though both are supreme, both absolutely omnipotent, both having the same level of power, The Presence is superior because he's always had his power, and Thanos acquired his?
...Okay.
Originally posted by Enyalus
So, even though both are supreme, both absolutely omnipotent, both having the same level of power, The Presence is superior because he's always had his power, and Thanos acquired his?...Okay.
Originally posted by fangirl101
No. He's saying compare Thanos to the one above all and thanos falls short. So the same principle must apply when comparing thanos to the presence.
Wrong again.
EVERYTHING TOAA was, Thanos became. Etc. Etc. Even going so far as to state that he is THE Almighty, replacing the previous Almighty.
Originally posted by Mr MasterBut it sure sounds like what the Presence is. ✅
All that's well and good but TOAA is a factor in Marvel not DC. So how have you addressed the position of TOAA as a fictional avatar? You've said it yourself there are levels of omnipotence in the MU, TOAA being above LT.
All you're giving me is a story about a supreme being without reference to TOAA. If we're talking about the entirety of the MU this one story isn't relevant to our TOAA debate. And I read Thanos Quest and the IG arch years ago (almost ten years ago).
Originally posted by Enyalus
Wrong again.[b]EVERYTHING
TOAA was, Thanos became. Etc. Etc. Even going so far as to state that he is THE Almighty, replacing the previous Almighty. [/B]
Originally posted by fangirl101
Thanos states this. Hmm. Does any panel with in the book state that Thanos was The New One above all?
Once again, Eternity confirms it.
And how is it that the one above comes to retain his power and plan if Thanos took his place?
Read the story. Thanos erases himself. Intentionally. To be with Lady Death.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Wrong again.[b]EVERYTHING
TOAA was, Thanos became. Etc. Etc. Even going so far as to state that he is THE Almighty, replacing the previous Almighty. [/B]
And I've agreed he took his position but you forget it was TOAA who placed Thanos in that postion in the first place. He was still present in the MU as Thanos did as TOAA intended him to do, afterall it was TOAA that selected Thanos for this taks by allowing him to take HOTI after creating it. He gave him the artifact so that he could erase the MU realities.
Originally posted by Allankles
And I've agreed he took his position but you forget it was TOAA who placed Thanos in that postion in the first place. He was still present in the MU as Thanos did as TOAA intended him to do, afterall it was TOAA that selected Thanos for this taks by allowing him to take HOTI after creating it. He gave him the artifact so that he could erase the MU realities.
TOAA manipulates Thanos. Thanos acquires TOAA's power and usurps his position. Thanos does as TOAA had intended and erases himself from existence. TOAA is back on top.
The period where Thanos is the Supreme Being is just that. And during that period, which is what this thread is about - Thanos equals The Presence in every way.
They stalemate.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was still more powerful and had better feats than any dcu character including the presence.I dont care about lucy because he woul dget stomped by Thanos with the heart.
The presence's power can be taken as Cronus has proved. Its just there is no Thanos in the dcu therefore no one has taken it before.
Originally posted by Enyalus
TOAA manipulates Thanos. Thanos acquires TOAA's power and usurps his position. Thanos does as TOAA had intended and erases himself from existence. TOAA is back on top.The period where Thanos is the Supreme Being is just that. And during that period, which is what this thread is about - Thanos equals The Presence in every way.
They stalemate.
Originally posted by fangirl101
No. Thanos doesn't equal the presence in everyway. You see, The presence is all knowing. He makes the rules. Thanos even with power, is following a set of rules. Thanos usurps the one above all's posistion but somehow manages to complete the one above all's plan? Thanos was never in control then now was he?
I'm officially a broken record.
Thanos chooses to complete TOAA's plan. Because it will impress Lady Death, his love interest. It was his own choice. While possessing HOTI, Thanos reigns absolutely supreme. No one else compares. Or can even challenge him.
Just like The Presence.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I'm officially a broken record.Thanos chooses to complete TOAA's plan. Because it will impress Lady Death, his love interest. It was his own choice. While possessing HOTI, Thanos reigns absolutely supreme. No one else compares. Or can even challenge him.
Just like The Presence.
Why does Thanos want to impress lady death so much? Becuz The one above all made him that way. TOAA's plan was set in stone. Thanos couldn't change it. He was never The one above all. Never had his power. Which is of course, the ability make everything the way that he wants. Which The presence explicity says he can do.
Originally posted by Enyalus
So, even though both are supreme, both absolutely omnipotent, both having the same level of power, The Presence is superior because he's always had his power, and Thanos acquired his?...Okay.
Because the presence's power is above acquisition, he is the reality of DC. The fullness of his influence in DC cannot be condensed into an artifact. Basically he can create a HOTI and have a character achieve what Thanos did and still he'd be there beyond the scope of his creation.
It's about scope. No matter what character x does in DC the Presence will be there, it's his universe to do with as he pleases including creating an artifact that can erase existence within the overarching fictional realm of his.
In the DC fictional realm you could say the entire universe is his experiment, he is the universe. Thanos was surrounded by Oblivion, in DC the Presence would be in that same oblivion.
