The Presence against The Heart of the Infinite · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by kevdude
Telling me something I already know.

I just did.

Originally posted by kevdude
You say it says nothing about the Void
but then you need to read the whole paragraph right?
Not just one sentence.
You can't pick and chose what is in the scan MM

Huh? ... dontgetit

Please show me where it elaborates concerning "the Void?"

Originally posted by kevdude
Out from all of that came The Source which IS Eternal.

If you're saying that the Source was born at the moment the Universe was born,
then I agree, cause that's exactly what's stated in your scan.

As for being "Eternal" or "the All" ... meh, Eternity/Infinity are also:

And yes, they are also born with the Universe's birth,
and they simultaneously embody that same Universe.

They're exactly like the Source imo.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
I just did.
Huh? ... dontgetit
Please show me where it elaborates concerning "the Void?"
If you're saying that the Source was born at the moment the Universe was born,
then I agree, cause that's exactly what's stated in your scan.
As for being "Eternal" or "the All" ... meh, Eternity/Infinity are also:
And yes, they are also born with the Universe's birth,
and they simultaneously embody that same Universe.
They're exactly like the Source imo.

Master, you are missing the point of the ENTIRE PARAGRAPH. The VOID, THe STRUGGLE, THE ENERGY, ALL Formed the Eternal Source. The Source is all at once the void, the universe(4th world), and eternal.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
Master, you are missing the point of the ENTIRE PARAGRAPH. The VOID, THe STRUGGLE, THE ENERGY, ALL Formed the Eternal Source. The Source is all at once the void, the universe(4th world), and eternal.

fangirl101, you are missing the point of the ENTIRE PARAGRAPH.

... a VOID us not a thing.

... a VOID is = nothingness.

The Universe was Void (empty) and formless. (because it had nothing, uhh, a VOID!)

THEN energies were born and died, as the Universe tried to create itself,
the Big Bang wasn't working at first it seems,
but it continued to try. ("struggled to find form"😉

Ultimately the Universe which was meaningless (a formless void)
found purpose. (to create itself)

This caused the creation/birth of the Universe and the Source simultaneously.

Imo, the Source seems to become the sentience of the created Universe.

Just like in Eternity/Infinity's case, the Universe is born/created (by the AE now)
then Eternity/Infinity are born as it's conceptualized embodiments.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
fangirl101, you are missing the point of the ENTIRE PARAGRAPH.
... a VOID us not a thing.
... a VOID is = nothingness.
The Universe was Void (empty) and formless. (because it had nothing, uhh, a VOID!)
THEN energies were born and died, as the Universe tried to create itself,
the Big Bang wasn't working at first it seems,
but it continued to try. ("struggled to find form"😉
Ultimately the Universe which was meaningless (a formless void)
found purpose. (to create itself)
This caused the creation/birth of the Universe and the Source simultaneously.
Imo, the Source seems to become the sentience of the created Universe.
Just like in Eternity/Infinity's case, the Universe is born/created (by the AE now)
then Eternity/Infinity are born as it's conceptualized embodiments.

You still miss it. Byrne explicity says the UNIVERSE was Void and without Form. Thus the Void is the Universe without Form. The Source is the VOID with Form.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
You still miss it. Byrne explicity says the UNIVERSE was Void and without Form. Thus the Void is the Universe without Form. The Source is the VOID with Form.

Actually, you still missed it.

Look up the meaning to the term "Void," then come back,
you wanna make the Source the formless emptiness, that's fine,
but on panel the Source was born subsequent to the formless emptiness:

"Out of this was Born ... The Source"

Until then, whatever you say potna, the scans are there for all to read.

Let them decide, my opinion is finalized for now,
and unless you have other scans,
there's nothing in that scan that will change anything.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Mr Master
Imo, the Source seems to become the sentience of the created Universe.

so kismet = the source? i have never once heard that even mentioned in a comic.

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by Galan007
so kismet = the source? i have never once heard that even mentioned in a comic.

Maybe you can say kismet = eternity give or take

And source = Multi-Eternity give or take

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by kgkg
Maybe you can say kismet = eternity give or take
And source = Multi-Eternity give or take

Um, Kismet is the guardian of ALL DC realties. She'd be more like a combo of Multi-eternity and Roma.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, you still missed it.
Look up the meaning to the term "Void," then come back,
you wanna make the Source the formless emptiness, that's fine,
but on panel the Source was born subsequent to the formless emptiness:
"Out of this [b]was Born ... The Source"
Until then, whatever you say potna, the scans are there for all to read.
Let them decide, my opinion is finalized for now,
and unless you have other scans,
there's nothing in that scan that will change anything. [/B]

Out of this refers to the entire PRECEDING paragraph. If you can't understand that and yet others can, I dont' see any point. It's your way or no one elses way. But out of this refers to the entire set of events as well as ALL the parts. And the very fact that you choose to crop parts of the scans shows that you are trying to make it fit your definition.

fangirl101 Restricted

For those who need not be bamboozled by a cropped scan.

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um, Kismet is the guardian of ALL DC realties. She'd be more like a combo of Multi-eternity and Roma.

ok but the source is all the realites? yes or no

Multi-Eternity is also the same

fangirl101 Restricted

The UNIVERSE was void and without form.

energies struggled to Find form.

Without reason struggled to find purpose.

Out of this, as in out of all of this, the source was born.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by kgkg
ok but the source is all the realites? yes or no
Multi-Eternity is also the same

The Source in Not all realties.

The Source is the power source of everything. It would be more like the heart of the infinite. By Touching it, The Spectre became God.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
so kismet = the source? i have never once heard that even mentioned in a comic.

dontgetit

I have no idea where you saw the name Kismet in my post.

fangirl101 Restricted

The Source would be much more than Eternity. Touching Eternity Doesn't allow one to become God as did the source when the Spectre touches it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Here The Spectre touches the Source and is shown what it is like to be GOD

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by fangirl101
The Source in Not all realties.
The Source is the power source of everything. It would be more like the heart of the infinite. By Touching it, The Spectre became God.

Spectre did not become god 🙁 he becomes the multiverse not God.

After he touches the Source he is still looking for God he NEVER Become GOD

Thats exactly what Multi-Eternity is

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
Out of this refers to the entire PRECEDING paragraph.

Right, I've already said,
that the Source was born from the Universe trying to create itself,
or as Byrne puts it, "struggle to find form" (to create itself)

Originally posted by fangirl101
If you can't understand that and yet others can, I dont' see any point.
It's your way or no one elses way.

Gibberish.

Don't give me this high horse sanctimonous crap,
like you're right and anyone is wrong.

Originally posted by fangirl101
But out of this refers to the entire set of events as well as ALL the parts.

Right, and the Source was born subsequent to the formless Void. 🙂

Originally posted by fangirl101
And the very fact that you choose to crop parts of the scans
shows that you are trying to make it fit your definition.

Here we go again with the LIES!

I posted the WHOLE scan, I THEN broke it down as it's broken down in the scan.

See, how I reply to you?

To quotes that are honest opinions?

... with respect.

To quotes that are fallacies?

... with brutal truth.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by kgkg
Spectre did not become god 🙁 he becomes the multiverse not God.
After he touches the Source he is still looking for God he NEVER Become GOD
Thats exactly what Multi-Eternity is

Wrong. Where do you get he becomes the Multiverse? It never says that anywhere on panel. It says he becomes a dimension. In DC, Dimensions encompass multiple verses. And It says I will show you the Nature of God. Not the nature of the multiverse. Even then, you are correct, he still hadn't become god becuz God tells him, I exist in dimensions you cannot fathom. Which means God exist outside of anything that the spectre had already touched, which was everything.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
Right, I've already said,
that the Source was born from the Universe trying to create itself,
or as Byrne puts it, "struggle to find form" (to create itself)
Gibberish.
Don't give me this high horse sanctimonous crap,
like you're right and anyone is wrong.
Right, and the Source was born subsequent to the formless Void. 🙂
Here we go again with the LIES!
I posted the WGHOLE scan, I THEN broke it down as it's broken down in the scan.
See, how I reply to you?
To quotes that are honest opinions?
... with respect.
To quotes that are fallacies?
... with brutal truth.

I"m being very polite in my debating. If you can't follow suit, I'll report you. Now, it says the UNIVERSE was void. It doesn't say anything about the Void. Which tells us that the Universe and Void are one and the same. It then tells us this Universe struggles to have cohesion and reason. Out of this struggle and cohesion, comes the source. The Source, Universe, and Void are all one and the same.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
The Source would be much more than Eternity.
Touching Eternity Doesn't allow one to become God as did the source when the Spectre touches it.

Doesn't say anything about becoming God,
but he will be shown the nature of God.

Funny how when Starlin himself states in his interview Thanos basically became GOD,
you jump all over "basically" to nitpick it down to something lesser,
but your strategy is quite the opposite here.

😆

Anyhow, over-sized scans won't change anything here:

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies"

******* SAME shit as touching the Source! ***********