The Presence against The Heart of the Infinite

Originally posted by Mr Master
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I could care less what DC does. 🙂

Thanos says:

"Eternity, you must sense that [B]Everything the Almighty was I now am,

did you ever dare demand anything from Him"

Eternity responds,

"No, but" .... (Eternity is actually acknowledging that Thanos speaks the truth)

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"And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be ...

my Will is Supreme"

noneyes

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Like I said, it was also confirmed in official handbook Bios:

"Thanos eradicated the Order, they ... Pronounced him GOD" ...

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stoned [/B]

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. If DC's presence is Supreme, then it is supreme and at best the only things that can stalemate it are other supreme beings. You need to try again. Your mavel fanboyism is irking me to no end. One Company's supreme being is equal to the other's. Period. Anything less than either is not equal to either.

Moi? I'm hurt.

Since it's been stated in the sourcebooks, bios, and in the comics themselves that Thanos became the Supreme Being, I don't see what we're arguing about. They stalemate. I never said HOTI would win.

Now that would be Marvel fanboyism.

Originally posted by fangirl101

One Company's supreme being is equal to the other's. Period.

Anything less than either is not equal to either.

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Here's Thanos' 2008 bio: (at the bottom)

Excerpt from Thanos' own Bio:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos

" ... Known as the Heart of the Universe,
from which all energy physical and metaphysical emanates,
and thereby gained infinite power ...

... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe
and become the One true Supreme Being ... "

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=========== SUPREME BEING =============

Wow this thread sure is long for something that could have been ended with one word: STALEMATE.

Originally posted by fangirl101

he was NEVER GOD. never would be. Never had his power.

Thanos was GOD!

Thanos became ALL!

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree:

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Here's [B]Thanos' 2008 bio: (at the bottom)

Excerpt from Thanos' own Bio:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos

" ... Known as the Heart of the Universe,
from which all energy physical and metaphysical emanates,
and thereby gained infinite power ...

... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe
and become the One true Supreme Being ... "

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=========== SUPREME BEING ============= [/B]

Originally posted by ultimatethor

Wow this thread sure is long for something that could have been ended with one word: STALEMATE.

Unfortunately, intransigence will do that to a thread.

How the hell can this be a stalemate when one is a power source that no longer exist and the other is a supreme being on which everything depends? The marvel wanking is utterly just crap at it's best.

Originally posted by fangirl101
How the hell can this be a stalemate when one is a power source that no longer exist and the other is a supreme being on which everything depends? The marvel wanking is utterly just crap at it's best.

They just don't want to concede the debate.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Unfortunately, intransigence will do that to a thread.

The Presence is everything, ALL mighty, ALL encompassing. HOTI is just a power source no different from the Source or the other universal expressions of energy and aspects of the Presence in DC.

With the Source, God Wave etc a being can destroy existence as it is known recreate etc, similar to what Thanos did with HOTI, but they'd still be below the Presence, none of that stuff affects him, he is the author oF existence and oblivion itself within the DCU, just like TOAA without the fourth wall element.

Originally posted by Allankles

They just don't want to concede the debate.

You got jokes dogs.

Originally posted by Allankles

The Presence is everything, ALL mighty, ALL encompassing.

HOTI is just a power source no different from the Source
or the other universal expressions of energy and aspects of the Presence in DC.

Originally posted by Mr Master

"I was everything, bonded to Omni-Reality"

"I was Everything"

Originally posted by Allankles

With the Source, God Wave etc a being can destroy existence as it is known recreate etc, similar to what Thanos did with HOTI, but they'd still be below the Presence, none of that stuff affects him, he is the author oF existence and oblivion itself within the DCU

Originally posted by Allankles

just like TOAA without the fourth wall element.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Right,
I'm gonna concede to your unsupported rendition of how the Marvel Universe works,
instead of following what Marvel Comics has to say about their own comics.

You got jokes dogs.

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Try again.

There are Marvel characters that can destroy and re-create everything too, big deal,
in fact it's been done on panel 5 times,
and none were above the LT, or the IG, aside from THOTI of course.

Nothing like TOAA in any way, shape or form

Micheal would be equal to Thanos with the heart then?

But Miceal is below the presence.

Originally posted by fangirl101

The source can do everything The heart can. Micheal Surely Can.

Micheal would be equal to Thanos with the heart then?

But Miceal is below the presence.

Nah.

The biggest feat THOTI has, is absorbing the LT like a mote in a storm.

There's no way for you to prove that the Source, or Mike can do that. 🙂

So, there's no opinion you can conjure that will make a valid comparison.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Right,

There are Marvel characters that can destroy and re-create everything too, big deal,
in fact it's been done on panel 5 times,
and none were above the LT, or the IG, aside from THOTI of course.

Which doesn't make sense because omnipotence is omnipotence (when it's not hyperbole) there are no levels to omnipotence.

That's why for me the LT, IG etc are not absolute omnipotence to me including HOTI since the TOAA (a Marvel U being) an recreate HOTI at will, within the Marvel U (not just in the background outside of it). In that sense it is no different from the Source or Godwave.

The Presence operates the same way as TOAA with the ability to recreate things at will but without the fourth wall pencils and ink associated with TOAA.

Fiction is fiction afterall it need not be presented as ink and pencils alone, but the MU chose to introduce that fourth wall element with TOAA.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You must be under the impression that erasing everything,
and re-creating everything is what makes THOTI special.
(that's been done by far lesser beings)

Nah.

The biggest feat THOTI has, is absorbing the LT like a mote in a storm.

There's no way for you to prove that the Source, or Mike can do that. 🙂

So, there's no opinion you can conjure that will make a valid comparison.

From the fact The Source is the beginning point of the Big Bang something LT was born from afterwards shows otherwise 😉

Originally posted by Allankles

Which doesn't make sense because omnipotence is omnipotence
(when it's not hyperbole) there are no levels to omnipotence.

So basically this debate is at an end,
because you can't accept Marvel facts:

In Marvel Comics, there are levels of Infinity: (omnipotence specifically)

You don't like it, write Marvel a letter and complain,
but any further attempts at contradicting this fact would be trolling per forum rules.

Originally posted by Allankles

That's why for me the LT, IG etc are not absolute omnipotence to me including HOTI since the TOAA (a Marvel U being) an recreate HOTI at will, within the Marvel U (not just in the background outside of it). In that sense it is no different from the Source or Godwave.

When you have some evidence to back any of it up, holla.

Originally posted by Allankles

The Presence operates the same way as TOAA with the ability to recreate things at will but without the fourth wall pencils and ink associated with TOAA.

Fiction is fiction afterall it need not be presented as ink and pencils alone, but the MU chose to introduce that fourth wall element with TOAA.

Fiction is fiction ...

... well then stop trying to put your real world sensible logic into Marvel's fiction.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You must be under the impression that erasing everything,
and re-creating everything is what makes THOTI special.
(that's been done by far lesser beings)

Nah.

The biggest feat THOTI has, is absorbing the LT like a mote in a storm.

There's no way for you to prove that the Source, or Mike can do that. 🙂

So, there's no opinion you can conjure that will make a valid comparison.

Originally posted by kevdude

From the fact The Source is the beginning point of the Big Bang
something LT was born from afterwards shows otherwise

Back to reality though:

Sise-Neg created the Marvel Universe from the pre-Big Bang point.
Entropy created the Marvel Universe via the Big Bang from nothingness.
The Alien Entity from the Pre-Big Bang point created the Marvel Universe using Reed's mind.

I supposed this makes all of the above (including Reed) > LT ... 😂

Originally posted by fangirl101

Actually Mikey beat the Spectre in like 3 pnuches
and then said he could have destroyed him outright.
Um so yeah. There you go.

I said the LT, not Spectre.

What do I care what Mike can do to Spectre.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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I said the LT, not Spectre.

What do I care what Mike can do to Spectre.