The Presence against The Heart of the Infinite

Spectre is a joke. That stupid crossover got everything thinking he's on the LT's level.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So basically this debate is at an end,
because you can't accept Marvel facts:

In Marvel Comics, [b]there are levels of Infinity: (omnipotence specifically)

You don't like it, write Marvel a letter and complain,
but any further attempts at contradicting this fact would be trolling per forum rules.[/B]

How can it be trolling? Marvel doesn't have a monopoly on language and according to the definition of the word omnipotence, the LT, IG etc are not absolutely omnipotent with respect to their universes based on their showings and TOAA's overaching influence within the Marvel U.

By definitions within language there can be no levels to omnipotence, levels suggest limits, 'omnipotence' and 'infinite' are words that mean no limitations. There's no trolling on my part, just pointing out hyperbole.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Spectre is a joke. That stupid crossover got everything thinking he's on the LT's level.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Never knew the LT was born from the Source's Big Bang.

Back to reality though:

Sise-Neg created the Marvel Universe from the pre-Big Bang point.
Entropy created the Marvel Universe via the Big Bang from nothingness.
The Alien Entity from the Pre-Big Bang point created the Marvel Universe using Reed's mind.

I supposed this makes all of the above (including Reed) > LT ... 😂

Now where is that scan that shows LT Eternity and others faces right after the Big Bang in Marvel talking about them being born, do you have it? 🙄

Yeah, but then he gets embarrased in Revelations in 3 straight issues.

Originally posted by fangirl101

The Spectre is the wrath of God in persona.
Nothing on panel ever has had the power to outright destroy the concept but, Mike.

The ol' Spectre "backed by God" line seemed in-affective against Mxy.

Originally posted by fangirl101

So in this instance, mike would be everything the heart was to Thanos.

Originally posted by Allankles

How can it be trolling? Marvel doesn't have a monopoly on language and according to the definition of the word omnipotence, the LT, IG etc are not absolutely omnipotent with respect to their universes based on their showings and TOAA's overaching influence within the Marvel U.

🤨

Dude, TOAA create/draw everything that takes place on panel,
of course everything is under their control, of course!

The Presence is NOT a real thing dude, it doesn't think for itself,
it's ALSO a conceptualized idea
coming straight from the finite mind of human beings that work as Writers for DC.

This shit is getting silly already.

Originally posted by Allankles

By definitions within language there can be no levels to omnipotence, levels suggest limits, 'omnipotence' and 'infinite' are words that mean no limitations.

This theorem has been widely accepted as a legitimate theorem since 1891,
even inducted into Princeton's curriculum (like Calculus).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor%27s_theorem

Cantor's Theorem:

"The theorem is named for Georg Cantor, who first stated and proved it."

on panel verification:

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Georg Cantor - the prestigious PRINCETON University website:

"One of the greatest revolutions in mathematics occurred
when Georg Cantor (1845-1918)
promulgated his theory of transfinite sets."

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/4740.html

Originally posted by Allankles

There's no trolling on my part, just pointing out hyperbole.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Yeah, but then he gets embarrased in Revelations in 3 straight issues.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Georg Cantor - the prestigious PRINCETON University website:

"One of the greatest revolutions in mathematics occurred
when Georg Cantor (1845-1918)
promulgated his THEORY of transfinite sets."

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/4740.html

Tell it to Princeton University.

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Kubik says,

"Our power is as nothing to the Celestials"

Kosmos replies,

"But Kubik, do we not possess Infinite Power (Omnipotence)

Kubik retorts,

"Yes, Our might is Infinite. But there are Levels of Infinity"

..............................................................

CONTINUES ...

Kubik finishes:

"Thus are demonstrated two levels of infinity,

there are of course, an infinite number more"

..............................................................

Dr Strange corroborates this Marvel fact:

"the very Concept of Infinity is relative,

Numbers are Infinite, so are odd Numbers, yet by definition,

there are Twice as many Numbers as there are odd Numbers ...

One Infinity is included within a larger Infinity"

Originally posted by kevdude
Now where is that scan that shows LT Eternity
and others faces right after the Big Bang in Marvel talking about them being born,
do you have it?

Originally posted by kevdude

Sise-Neg created the Marvel Universe from the pre-Big Bang point.
Entropy created the Marvel Universe via the Big Bang from nothingness.
The Alien Entity from the Pre-Big Bang point created the Marvel Universe using Reed's mind.

I supposed this makes all of the above (including Reed) > LT

Should I name other characters that were born from the Big Bang,
and yet somehow end up with power over the Big Bang?

Come on dogs, please.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Funny, I remember Mxy killing Spectres, even one sent by his boss.

The ol' Spectre "backed by God" line seemed in-affective against Mxy.

If Mike is the Supreme being sure, if not, then Mike is another mote to absorb.

Spectre is powerful mr m but nowhere near the Lt. Id place him below Eternity at his normal power levels.

Originally posted by fangirl101

That will be all.

Freakin hypocrite.

If you're gonna dismiss the Princeton curriculum accepted theorem of Transfinite sets,
then you better be ready to dismiss the theorem of Calculus.

But you probably didn't know Calculus was a theory did ya?

If you did
you must've dismissed it with the saying, "that will be all" in high school
when you realized it was a theory.

Or do you accept things selectively like a true bias individual?

Originally posted by Mr Master
But you relating the Source to the theoretical Big bang is game right?

Freakin hypocrite.

If you're gonna dismiss the curriculum accepted theorem of Transfinite sets,
then you better be ready to dismiss the theorem of Calculus.

But you probably didn't know Calculus was a theory did ya?

If you did
you must've dismissed it with the saying, "that will be all" in high school
when you realized it was a theory?

Originally posted by fangirl101

And I know calculus is a theory. So your point is what?

Originally posted by fangirl101

Cal is a widely accepted theorum.

The transinfinite Integers is a theory of one professor that isn't widely accepted

that I know of.

You're so funny dogs.

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Georg Cantor - Encyclopedia Britannica:

"German mathematician who founded set theory
and introduced the mathematically meaningful concept of transfinite numbers,
indefinitely large but distinct from one another."

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9020082/Georg-Cantor

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Georg Cantor - Honerary member of the London Mathematical Society:

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Societies/LMSHonorary.html

................................................................................................................

Georg Cantor - the prestigious PRINCETON University website:

"One of the greatest revolutions in mathematics occurred
when Georg Cantor (1845-1918)
promulgated his theory of transfinite sets."

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/4740.html

................................................................................................................

Georg Cantor - Applet--Magic.com

(site dedicated to Physics-Mathematics-Statistics)

"Georg Cantor's achievement in mathematics was outstanding.
He revolutionized the foundation of mathematics with set theory.
Set theory is now considered so fundamental,
that it seems to border on the obvious,
but at its introduction it was controversial and revolutionary.
The controversial element centered around the problem
of whether infinity was a potentiality or could be achieved.

Before Cantor,
it was generally felt that infinity as an actuality did not make sense;
one could only speak of a variable increasing,
without bound as that variable going to infinity.

Cantor not only found a way to make sense out an actual,
as opposed to a potential, infinity,
but showed that there are different orders of infinity"

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/cantorth.htm

................................................................................................................

Georg Cantor - Exploratorium

"In the years 1871-1884 Georg Cantor invented the theory of infinite sets."

http://www.exploratorium.edu/turbulent/CompLexicon/settheory.html

................................................................................................................

Georg Cantor - Even scholarships are given in this guys name. 🙂

"Historians of mathematics can only be grateful,
for the effort Professor Dauben has expended,
to create the synthesis of Cantor scholarship found in this book.
But the book can, and I hope will,
be read with profit by a far more extensive audience.

Any student, mathematician, philosopher, theologian, or general historian,
with an interest in Georg Cantor,
and the wondrous revolution in mathematical and philosophical thought
that his work did so much to precipitate will find this book of considerable interest."
--Thomas Hawkins, Historia Mathematica.
One of the greatest revolutions in mathematics occurred,
when Georg Cantor (1845-1918)
promulgated his theory of transfinite sets."

http://www.erraticimpact.com/~19thcentury/html/cantor.htm

................................................................................................................

Georg Cantor - "The Man who counted beyond Infinity"

Engines of Ingenuity by John Lienhard, at the University of Houston:

"By the time he was done,
Cantor had invented what we call the transfinite numbers --
numbers that go beyond infinity.
And to do that he'd had to invent set theory.
And set theory has become a building block of modern mathematics."

http://uh.edu/engines/epi1484.htm

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Originally posted by fangirl101

If it were, you wouldn'thave to point it out to us.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But you relating the Source to the theoretical Big bang is game right?

Freakin hypocrite.

If you're gonna dismiss the Princeton curriculum accepted theorem of Transfinite sets,
then you better be ready to dismiss the theorem of Calculus.

But you probably didn't know Calculus was a theory did ya?

If you did
you must've dismissed it with the saying, "that will be all" in high school
when you realized it was a theory.

Or do you accept things selectively like a true bias individual?

Originally posted by Mr Master
That will be all.

"that I know of" is the key phrase in your statement,
if you don't know, then why even make the comment?

You're so funny dogs.

................................................................................................................

Georg Cantor - [B]Encyclopedia Britannica:

"German mathematician who founded set theory
and introduced the mathematically meaningful concept of transfinite numbers,
indefinitely large but distinct from one another."

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9020082/Georg-Cantor

................................................................................................................

Georg Cantor - Honerary member of the London Mathematical Society:

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Societies/LMSHonorary.html

................................................................................................................

Georg Cantor - the prestigious PRINCETON University website:

"One of the greatest revolutions in mathematics occurred
when Georg Cantor (1845-1918)
promulgated his theory of transfinite sets."

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/4740.html

................................................................................................................

Georg Cantor - Applet--Magic.com

(site dedicated to Physics-Mathematics-Statistics)

"Georg Cantor's achievement in mathematics was outstanding.
He revolutionized the foundation of mathematics with set theory.
Set theory is now considered so fundamental,
that it seems to border on the obvious,
but at its introduction it was controversial and revolutionary.
The controversial element centered around the problem
of whether infinity was a potentiality or could be achieved.

Before Cantor,
it was generally felt that infinity as an actuality did not make sense;
one could only speak of a variable increasing,
without bound as that variable going to infinity.

Cantor not only found a way to make sense out an actual,
as opposed to a potential, infinity,
but showed that there are different orders of infinity"

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/cantorth.htm

................................................................................................................

Georg Cantor - Exploratorium

"In the years 1871-1884 Georg Cantor invented the theory of infinite sets."

http://www.exploratorium.edu/turbulent/CompLexicon/settheory.html

................................................................................................................

Georg Cantor - Even scholarships are given in this guys name. 🙂

"Historians of mathematics can only be grateful,
for the effort Professor Dauben has expended,
to create the synthesis of Cantor scholarship found in this book.
But the book can, and I hope will,
be read with profit by a far more extensive audience.

Any student, mathematician, philosopher, theologian, or general historian,
with an interest in Georg Cantor,
and the wondrous revolution in mathematical and philosophical thought
that his work did so much to precipitate will find this book of considerable interest."
--Thomas Hawkins, Historia Mathematica.
One of the greatest revolutions in mathematics occurred,
when Georg Cantor (1845-1918)
promulgated his theory of transfinite sets."

http://www.erraticimpact.com/~19thcentury/html/cantor.htm

................................................................................................................

Georg Cantor - "The Man who counted beyond Infinity"

Engines of Ingenuity by John Lienhard, at the University of Houston:

"By the time he was done,
Cantor had invented what we call the transfinite numbers --
numbers that go beyond infinity.
And to do that he'd had to invent set theory.
And set theory has become a building block of modern mathematics."

http://uh.edu/engines/epi1484.htm

...............................................................................................................

Perhaps I was just illuminating your ignorance cause I'm a nice guy. [/B]

Originally posted by quanchi112
Its an excuse imo from dc fans. Spectre cant even phase Libra nowadays. The source negated the Spectre when he killed Darkseid and brought him back as well.

Spectre is powerful mr m but nowhere near the Lt. Id place him below Eternity at his normal power levels.

The Source is an aspect of the Presence (one of the fundamental universal expressions of energy in DC) i.e. the New gods have a connection to the force and are individually unique entities. You can't just use that incedent as proof of anything not that I care whether LT is equal to or greater than the Spectre.

The Spectre is god's instrument of vengeance but it is also influenced by its host and his understanding of the nature of the myriad powers in the universe. For example when Spectre fought Cain, Cain wondered why the Spectre - what with all his power - was fighting him with his fists. Context my friend.

The Anti-Life equation also affects Spectre's power because his power is based on exacting punishment for evil doers but if his target is not at fault for their crimes? And they're being controlled through the ALE? He can't affect them, it's the nature of his powers as well.

Also no one has claimed the Spectre has infinite power. His power is vast but his power level varies based on the whims of the Presence.

Originally posted by Allankles

Originally posted by fangirl101
Nah. It says in the third revelations that God did not have any parts with this conflict. And then Spectre got bitched with the spear of Destiny. The spear that has christ blood on it. So um yeah. That is how that goes.

Embarassed by God via Mercy in issue 2 and embarassed by God via Libra in issue 1.