Thor vs. Darkseid

Originally posted by carver9
I didnt see any form of COMBAT speed but you did well in showing me that he can fly pretty good. Without the ale/omega force/omega effect, darkseid wouldnt be anything but a mere brick. Due to darksied showings, hell I would give classic thor the majority over him and since people on here is naming darkseid powers how about I name some of thor: soul absorptioin, turn astral form, create thunder, tornadoes, below zero ice, matter manipulate, energy absorption, turn into a living tornadoe, strength a d durability amp, teleport, teleport others to different dimensions, god blast, bring back life, stop time, go back in time. I can keep going and this is classic thor without the odin force.

Thor is everything darkseid is plus a LITTLE interest.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nope. It was after his upgrade to Centurion Prime(happened right before Nova vol.2 started, the scans are from that series) when he was still less powerful than he is now.

He grabbed him by the throat and threw him, and he did it at such speed and with such force that Nova thought he got hit by an energy blast. That spells blitz in my book.

Originally posted by fangirl101
It doesn't in mine. Not as many times as people have argued that Wonder Woman doesn't have speed blitz feats becuz she doesn't superpunch even tho she's done other things at that level of Speed. And Nova saw Surfer and Thought surfer was an energy blast becuz of how he looked and how fast he was moving. before he got grabbed. I bought that issue becuz of surfer. So um yeah.

I thought a blitz was a sustained attack faster than the target can react. Not flying/running fast.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You do know batman had an amp in that right? Um yeah. bet you didn't. DS had also just been attacked by the full power of the staff. yeah. There goes your credibility.

I cropped the pic to save space. I know the circumstance and it he was so durable he still would not be bleeding to a kick from a human. regardless.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
I thought a blitz was a sustained attack faster than the target can react. Not flying/running fast.

I cropped the pic to save space. I know the circumstance and it he was so durable he still would not be bleeding to a kick from a human. regardless.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I think I smell a double standard on your part...

Originally posted by fangirl101
Thor has nothing on DS when it comes to power buddy. DS created Stayne, whom he was more poweful than. And she would PWN classic thor hard. Now if you look at orion and DS running at each other, it's in superspeed. And the entire fight was in superspeed. I can post it if you like.

I own the comic, you dont have to post anything and I didnt see anything in that book that wolverine couldnt do. Do me a favor though, can you tell me how fast they were going, mach 1, mach 2, 30mps, how fast. Im pretty sure if someone could move 30 mps he could make blurs also.

When it comes to power, buddy thor knows a lot since he has faced some of the most powerful beings in the universe and actually prevailed. You do know that thor defeated ego who is>>darkseid in power. You do know that thor made galactus flee who is>>darksied in power. You do know that thor one shotted destroyer who is>>>>darkseid physically. Destroyer might could treat darkseid like doomsday did.

Answer this, why can darkseid create beings that could solo the jla but cant grant himself enough power to beat superman. I'll never get that, he create beings more powerful then himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Id say Thor takes the majority. His hammer can negate the omega effect which is the only way I can see Darkseid beating a hammer wielding Thor.

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Originally posted by fangirl101
You were the one who said that a speed blitz had to be shown with super fast hands. Remember I was the one who thought of it as a rush. But in this instance, Nova saw Surfer coming at him. he just didnt' know what it was. Superman didn't even see DS move.quite the difference. And superman is faster than nova. by far.
And a blitz cannot be just a sustain attack. It's got to be anything faster than someone can react. What if superman blitzes a regular human? he won't need a sustained attack. One punch. it's still a blitz.

And you'd be hard pressed to prove that Byrne's Supes is faster than current Nova.

Originally posted by carver9
I own the comic, you dont have to post anything and I didnt see anything in that book that wolverine couldnt do. Do me a favor though, can you tell me how fast they were going, mach 1, mach 2, 30mps, how fast. Im pretty sure if someone could move 30 mps he could make blurs also.

When it comes to power, buddy thor knows a lot since he has faced some of the most powerful beings in the universe and actually prevailed. You do know that thor defeated ego who is>>darkseid in power. You do know that thor made galactus flee who is>>darksied in power. You do know that thor one shotted destroyer who is>>>>darkseid physically. Destroyer might could treat darkseid like doomsday did.

Answer this, why can darkseid create beings that could solo the jla but cant grant himself enough power to beat superman. I'll never get that, he create beings more powerful then himself.

wow i just read this & i couldnt agree more

Originally posted by carver9
I own the comic, you dont have to post anything and I didnt see anything in that book that wolverine couldnt do. Do me a favor though, can you tell me how fast they were going, mach 1, mach 2, 30mps, how fast. Im pretty sure if someone could move 30 mps he could make blurs also.

When it comes to power, buddy thor knows a lot since he has fast some of the most powerful beings in the universe and actually prevailed. You do know that thor defeated ego who is>>darkseid in power. You do know that thor made galactus flee who is>>darksied in power. You do know that thor one shotted destroyer who is>>>>darkseid physically. Destroyer might could treat darkseid like doomsday did.

Answer this, why can darkseid create beings that could solo the jla but cant grant himself enough power to beat superman. I'll never get that, he create beings more powerful then himself.

Originally posted by darthgoober
When did Nova see Surfer? I have the issue and there was no indication that Nova saw Surfer before hand.

And you'd be hard pressed to prove that Byrne's Supes is faster than current Nova.

Originally posted by darthgoober
When did Nova see Surfer? I have the issue and there was no indication that Nova saw Surfer before hand.

And you'd be hard pressed to prove that Byrne's Supes is faster than current Nova.

I have been waiting for someone to prove that wonder woman is faster then nova which was said in a previous thread. Nova speed feats and combat feats is rediculous.

You could basically post the drax vs nova fight and that would basically outshine any of wonder woman combat feats.

Originally posted by carver9
I have been waiting for someone to prove that wonder woman is faster then nova which was said in a previous thread. Nova speed feats and combat feats is rediculous.

You could basically post the drax vs nova fight and that would basically outshine any of wonder woman combat feats.

What the hell does your opinion of WW have to do with all the chickens in purdue?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Nova saw what he thought was an energy blast. There for he saw surfer.

But we're off topic now, and for once I agree with you about a particular feat of DS's. I consider what DS did to Bryne's Supes to be just as much a blitz as what Surfer did to Nova.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nova didn't see a damn thing, that's why he ASKED the Worldmind what he got hit with.

But we're off topic now, and for once I agree with you about a particular feat of DS's. I consider what DS did to Bryne's Supes to be just as much a blitz as what Surfer did to Nova.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Now dont' get all huffy. I'll reread the nova arc. But I swear I though nova saw a blast of energy and wondered what it was moving the way that it was.

Originally posted by fangirl101
DS has never lost to superman. retconned. And When DS came to earth in countdown, superman was helpless. He could do nothing. even with thousands of people dying. he couldn't even lend jimmy a hand.
And I've already posted the scans where orion was moving at superspeeds. and that is exactly how superspeed is drawn. i've poste highfather and DS flying at unimaginable speeds. to say that DS doesn't have superspeed, even after he grabs clark so fast that doesn't see him, is pure marvel biased bs. Period. Thor has been bitched by Vision. Thor has been bitched by Thanos. Thor has been ***** by count nefaria. Don't tell me all of thor's high feats and you forget his low ones. Sersi turned him into a frog.

Fan girl, you just dont get it do you, no matter how many lossess superman has under his belt against darkseid, he has plenty of wins that would indicate them as peers.

I agree you did post a scan of darkseid FLYING across the universe but if I was to post a scan of despero flying from one side of the solar system to earth in one panel would you also give him combat speed which he has yet to prove.

Thor has been out for how long, of course he is going to have low showings but his average puts him at a very high end of a herald. Classic thor is a high herald and has done sky father level things. Celestials are some of the most powerful beings in the universe but guess who injured some more then once. I agree, thor got defeated by vision, hell surfer has been defeated by vision when they were fighting in a volcanoe, juggernaut has been owned by vision, super skrull has been owned by vision, terrax got his ass whipped by vision, wonderman has been owned by vision, ironman, etc.. so I guess with that said vision is a top tier. Answer this, has thor ever been kicked in the face by a mere human and shed blood since you want to point out low showings.

You did show me a fight between orion and darkseid but like I asked before can you please (Im even asking nicely) tell me how fast they were going because again if I move 30 mps dont you think that I have the ability to create blurrs. Hell, look at "the one" with jet li, he can only go 50 mps but he was hitting numerous of people so fast that he was doing combos before they hit the ground.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nope he never did. And his exact words to the Worldmind was "Did Galactus hit us with something? An energy beam?".

Originally posted by carver9
Fan girl, you just dont get it do you, no matter how many lossess superman has under his belt against darkseid, he has plenty of wins that would indicate them as peers.

I agree you did post a scan of darkseid FLYING across the universe but if I was to post a scan of despero flying from one side of the solar system to earth in one panel would you also give him combat speed which he has yet to prove.

Thor has been out for how long, of course he is going to have low showings but his average puts him at a very high end of a herald. Classic thor is a high herald and has done sky father level things. Celestials are some of the most powerful beings in the universe but guess who injured some more then once. I agree, thor got defeated by vision, hell surfer has been defeated by vision when they were fighting in a volcanoe, juggernaut has been owned by vision, super skrull has been owned by vision, terrax got his ass whipped by vision, wonderman has been owned by vision, ironman, etc.. so I guess with that said vision is a top tier. Answer this, has thor ever been kicked in the face by a mere human and shed blood since you want to point out low showings.

You did show me a fight between orion and darkseid but like I asked before can you please (Im even asking nicely) tell me how fast they were going because again if I move 30 mps dont you think that I have the ability to create blurrs. Hell, look at "the one" with jet li, he can only go 50 mps but he was hitting numerous of people so fast that he was doing combos before they hit the ground.

It's pure dumb to think they were goign 30 mph when I've shown Orion using Superspeed and I've shown DS blitzing Superman. Both have Superspeed. Those instances themselves show superspeed. Now if you can't see superspeed in the scans, then i'm sorry.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Then it's a speed blitz. At least my definition of it. Which is being hit before you can react. Oh. I found a scan of wondy using super speed to attack. 🙂 We'd argued about that in another thread.

And cool about the WW scan. If you bump the appropriate thread and post the scan I'll have no problem conceding the point if it contradicts whatever it was that I was saying.