Thor vs. Darkseid

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nova didn't see a damn thing, that's why he ASKED the Worldmind what he got hit with.

But we're off topic now, and for once I agree with you about a particular feat of DS's. I consider what DS did to Bryne's Supes to be just as much a blitz as what Surfer did to Nova.

Darth, that could be a blitz but what being in any ongoing comic hasnt done a blitz since there creation. Hell wolverine even blitzed speed demon and speed demon moves 2000mps. How many times did spiderman blitz firelord in there fight. Just because you have one blitz dont mean thats a judgement for a character entire career. If thats the case then ever super hero/villian has the ability to achieve the speed of sound.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well it's tough to call it an actual blitz because most people's definition requires a sustained attack, but it definitely qualifies as blitzing STYLE speed IMO. And yes I hold the same standard to be true to DS.

And cool about the WW scan. If you bump the appropriate thread and post the scan I'll have no problem conceding the point if it contradicts whatever it was that I was saying.

Originally posted by carver9
Darth, that could be a blitz but what being in any ongoing comic hasnt done a blitz since there creation. Hell wolverine even blitzed speed demon and speed demon moves 2000mps. How many times did spiderman blitz firelord in there fight. Just because you have one blitz dont mean thats a judgement for a character entire career. If thats the case then ever super hero/villian has the ability to achieve the speed of sound.

There are somethings working against your assesment.

First of all, blitzing Superman is no easy feat.
2ndly, I've posted Orion using superspeed.
DS has bitched Orion so many times.

I've posted Orion and DS in a fight using Superspeed.

Originally posted by carver9
Darth, that could be a blitz but what being in any ongoing comic hasnt done a blitz since there creation. Hell wolverine even blitzed speed demon and speed demon moves 2000mps. How many times did spiderman blitz firelord in there fight. Just because you have one blitz dont mean thats a judgement for a character entire career. If thats the case then ever super hero/villian has the ability to achieve the speed of sound.

Is this not Superspeed?

Originally posted by fangirl101
It's pure dumb to think they were goign 30 mph when I've shown Orion using Superspeed and I've shown DS blitzing Superman. Both have Superspeed. Those instances themselves show superspeed. Now if you can't see superspeed in the scans, then i'm sorry.

No, you dont get it. I want you to tell me how fast wolverine is going in these scans. I'm going to post something similar to what you posted and by the way, if youre using the fact that since darkseid hit orion then he has speed then I guess that mean thor has super speed also since he has tagged surfer in the past.

Slapping missles out of the air.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1578/reflexes3vq6.jpg

Blurrs in the background (basically what you're using)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9079/wolverine1618qu4uc3.jpg

Some more blurrs
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg

Some more blurrs.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8189/speedblitze2si8.jpg

More speed.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7895/x235go7.png

Keeps up with a being that moves 2000 mps.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1830/strategyte6.jpg

With all that said, how fast is wolverine because the feats that I have presented, if we go by your logic wolverine is as fast as flash and superman.

spite!

why is tis still open?

Originally posted by carver9
No, you dont get it. I want you to tell me how fast wolverine is going in these scans. I'm going to post something similar to what you posted and by the way, if youre using the fact that since darkseid hit orion then he has speed then I guess that mean thor has super speed also since he has tagged surfer in the past.

Slapping missles out of the air.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1578/reflexes3vq6.jpg

Blurrs in the background (basically what you're using)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9079/wolverine1618qu4uc3.jpg

Some more blurrs
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg

Some more blurrs.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8189/speedblitze2si8.jpg

More speed.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7895/x235go7.png

Keeps up with a being that moves 2000 mps.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1830/strategyte6.jpg

With all that said, how fast is wolverine because the feats that I have presented, if we go by your logic wolverine is as fast as flash and superman.

Your argument doesn't hold water. Really.

You know why?

Becuz Wolverine does have enhanced speed and reflexes. BUT he's not fighting anyone on Superman's level. Thus your attempt is invalid.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But at the same time, only doing it once doesn't mean that it wasn't always an option that they just refrained from using due to PIS or(more likely) CIS. You can argue whether or not it's "in character" for someone to blitz consistently until you're blue in the face, but if there's a scan of them doing it(even once) you can't make the claim that it's beyond their abilities without some kind of evidence that specifically contradicts it IMO because the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

So youre basically saying that if a character has performed a combat speed feat once then its basically a powerset given to them.

If thats the case then every super powered being in comics possess speed. I'm pretty sure that you can provide a scan for every character that has a on going series with a mere speed blitz.

Originally posted by carver9
So youre basically saying that if a character has performed a combat speed feat once then its basically a powerset given to them.

If thats the case then every super powered being in comics possess speed. I'm pretty sure that you can provide a scan for every character that has a on going series with a mere speed blitz.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Your argument doesn't hold water. Really.

You know why?

Becuz Wolverine does have enhanced speed and reflexes. BUT he's not fighting anyone on Superman's level. Thus your attempt is invalid.

The point of my scans was to show you that enhanced humans can perform similar things that darkseid did in his fight with orion and Im pretty sure that thor could go punch to punch against wolverine, dont you. 🙁

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. Surfer's blitz for example is uber becuz of whom he's blizting. He's blizting nova. Nova could go light speed when he was in new warriors. So he's far beyond that now. It's all in who you blitz. blizting aunt may won't count.

So again since wolverine blitzed speed demon then wolverine has the ability to go 2000 mps. Since spiderman blitzed firelord spiderman has the ability to go light speed. Spiderman has also blitzed surfer with a punch to the face which surfer didnt see coming, so again Spiderman>light speed going by your logic.

Originally posted by skyfather
spite!

why is tis still open?

and who are you going for.

Originally posted by carver9
No, you dont get it. I want you to tell me how fast wolverine is going in these scans. I'm going to post something similar to what you posted and by the way, if youre using the fact that since darkseid hit orion then he has speed then I guess that mean thor has super speed also since he has tagged surfer in the past.

Slapping missles out of the air.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1578/reflexes3vq6.jpg

Blurrs in the background (basically what you're using)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9079/wolverine1618qu4uc3.jpg

Some more blurrs
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg

Some more blurrs.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8189/speedblitze2si8.jpg

More speed.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7895/x235go7.png

Keeps up with a being that moves 2000 mps.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1830/strategyte6.jpg

With all that said, how fast is wolverine because the feats that I have presented, if we go by your logic wolverine is as fast as flash and superman.

Stay focused on the argument at hand if you want to win, you're not so bad off in it that you have to completely change the subject(which just looks bad). Your scans are irrelevant because they don't feature Thor and whether or not Wolverine has comparable speed to DS is irrelevant unless you have concrete proof that Thor is faster than Wolverine. If you're looking to support an argument that DS can't blitz Thor then you need to draw from Thor's feats, not Wolverine. First thing's first, you have to answer the question "Does Thor have Super Speed?". For an answer to that just look here...

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers09814jk8.jpg

Notice in the 4th panel that Quicksilver is among the crowd that Thor cut off with the trench. Quicksilver obviously has Super Speed(and was moving at super speed in the scan) so the fact that Thor was able to box him in like that means that Thor does too, just at an unquantified level(which is pretty standard).

So now that we've established an unquantified level of actual Super Speed for Thor, we need to look at what level his reflexes work at...
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ZThor4.jpg

Tackling the argument like that is much more productive than going off about another character and it's a lot harder for the opposition to counter. And all it takes is basic knowledge of the character's abilities and a trip to the respect thread.

Originally posted by carver9
So youre basically saying that if a character has performed a combat speed feat once then its basically a powerset given to them.

Originally posted by carver9
If thats the case then every super powered being in comics possess speed. I'm pretty sure that you can provide a scan for every character that has a on going series with a mere speed blitz.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Stay focused on the argument at hand if you want to win, you're not so bad off in it that you have to completely change the subject(which just looks bad). Your scans are irrelevant because they don't feature Thor and whether or not Wolverine has comparable speed to DS is irrelevant unless you have concrete proof that Thor is faster than Wolverine. If you're looking to support an argument that DS can't blitz Thor then you need to draw from Thor's feats, not Wolverine. First thing's first, you have to answer the question "Does Thor have Super Speed?". For an answer to that just look here...

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers09814jk8.jpg

Notice in the 4th panel that Quicksilver is among the crowd that Thor cut off with the trench. Quicksilver obviously has Super Speed(and was moving at super speed in the scan) so the fact that Thor was able to box him in like that means that Thor does too, just at an unquantified level(which is pretty standard).

So now that we've established an unquantified level of actual Super Speed for Thor, we need to look at what level his reflexes work at...
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ZThor4.jpg

Tackling the argument like that is much more productive than going off about another character. And all it takes is basic knowledge of the character's abilities and a trip to the respect thread.

So what's the argument here, IMO i don't think DS has super speed h2h as much as I think he has good MA and agility. The one character whom I believe has legitimate h2h superpseed is someone like Supes, but niether Thor or DS have h2h superspeed. Although I will say DS does tend to move quicker then thor in battle by a long shot.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I'd argue that Thor's reflex in response to rachel's flame isn't a good one. She's throwing fire. it's not some kind of laser or light based projectile. Also, quicksilver wasn't even looking at thor when thor boxed the crowd in. And quicksilver's top speed is sound. Obviously he isn't running that fast or the crowd would be going deaf from sonic booms.

And I didn't make any comments as to hoqw impressive the Quicksilver thing was, as I said it's proof of an unquantified level of super speed, nothing more.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So what's the argument here, IMO i don't think DS has super speed h2h as much as I think he has good MA and agility. The one character whom I believe has legitimate h2h superpseed is someone like Supes, but niether Thor or DS have h2h superspeed. Although I will say DS does tend to move quicker then thor in battle by a long shot.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's not fire, it's a telepathic bolt with the appearance of fire(because she's Phoenix).