Viktor vs Markus

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
He took minor scratches, that's nothing compared to what Marcus tanked, nor is it what Marcus will be delivering to Viktor.

Which is still less than the fight with Marcus. You claim tactics, yes, tactics and experience against Michael who was, for all intents and purposes a newborn.

Michael is not Marcus, Marcus has far greater demonstrated feats and capabilities, and the only things that kept Vik in the game after betraying Marcus, he does not have for this fight. What? is he going to Talk-No-Jutsu Marcus to death? 😆

Can you explain to me how this is not A>B>C logic and should not be disregarded for one, and two, how can you garner a victory by saying defeating a lesser opponent equates to defeating a greater opponent? Because it does not.

Considering Tempest was not arguing based on an interpretation of the movie, but rather how he interpreted my words, this is not something you can use, plus, he has sided with us in the overall debate. he agrees that Marcus would defeat Viktor. You are hiding behind the perceived opinion of someone else to mask your own deficient argument.

Michael still used the same tactics he used against Viktor. They weren't successful against Viktor due to his skill and battle savvy.

He will kill him via his blades. There is a reason Viktor always kept Markus as his personal ***** all these years. Markus even addressed him as lord. That is a clear sign of submission after Viktor had his brother attacked before his very submissive eyes.

Michael displayed superior speed than Markus. If anything this points to an even easier win for Viktor since he doesn't have to worry about a much faster opponent such as Michael.

No, he called bullshit on you misinterpreting words and trolling in general. We tire of your childish tactics. You aren't an honest debater and often seek refuge after a butt raping. Just stay gone. You aren't an effective debater in the least bit and often cry when someone disagrees with you.

Viktor wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were not minor scratches. Look up the meaning to both words you troll. Markus will inflict damage but not enough to stop Viktor who is too battle savvy to lose.

Hah!, when Vik is shown decapitating someone without the use of his sword, call me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Michael still used the same tactics he used against Viktor. They weren't successful against Viktor due to his skill and battle savvy.

And they were even less successful against Marcus because of his strength, speed, flight capabilities and skill and battle tactics.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He will kill him via his blades. There is a reason Viktor always kept Markus as his personal ***** all these years. Markus even addressed him as lord. That is a clear sign of submission after Viktor had his brother attacked before his very submissive eyes.

Yeah, and that reason is that Vik held a hostage, and had an army of brain washed Death Dealers at his command.

Read above, you troll.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Michael displayed superior speed than Markus. If anything this points to an even easier win for Viktor since he doesn't have to worry about a much faster opponent such as Michael.

Are you kidding me or what? Marcus not only dealt with Michael twice, but in their first battle, he did so while flying and keeping pace with a moving vehicle. Viktor would have been trounced in that position.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he called bullshit on you misinterpreting words and trolling in general. We tire of your childish tactics. You aren't an honest debater and often seek refuge after a butt raping. Just stay gone. You aren't an effective debater in the least bit and often cry when someone disagrees with you.

I don't care about people disagreeing with me, it is the attitude, and the shitty reasons displayed by you that get reactions, and you are nothing if not a hypocritical, dishonest prick. Read his posts, he agreed with my overall stance. AND, You downplayed Marcus without any reasons whatsoever, just to get a reaction. That makes you the troll. 💃

Originally posted by quanchi112
Viktor wins.

Making claims without evidence as usual. Marcus wins. Too strong, too fast, too powerful, and naturally a better fighter.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hah!, when Vik is shown decapitating someone without the use of his sword, call me.

And they were even less successful against Marcus because of his strength, speed, flight capabilities and skill and battle tactics.

Yeah, and that reason is that Vik held a hostage, and had an army of brain washed Death Dealers at his command.

Read above, you troll.

Are you kidding me or what? Marcus not only dealt with Michael twice, but in their first battle, he did so while flying and keeping pace with a moving vehicle. Viktor would have been trounced in that position.

I don't care about people disagreeing with me, it is the attitude, and the shitty reasons displayed by you that get reactions, and you are nothing if not a hypocritical, dishonest prick. Read his posts, he agreed with my overall stance. AND, You downplayed Marcus without any reasons whatsoever, just to get a reaction. That makes you the troll. 💃

Making claims without evidence as usual. Marcus wins. Too strong, too fast, too powerful, and naturally a better fighter.

False. Markus was sloppy and was evaded throughout the film and even spared by his own father. He will be sloppy in combat like he was in the entire film. Viktor would kill him within close proximity just like he did against the faster and stronger Michael. Sooner or later he has to get close and that is when Viktor will kill him.

Viktor was more intelligent than Markus. That much is evident when he betrayed him and ruled over him for centuries. He hurt his brother William and kept him as a prisoner and the coward known as Markus didn't do anything about it until after Viktor was gone. If Markus was as powerful as you claim he should have done something but he didn't.

Quit spelling Markus' name incorrectly. You're an idiot who doesn't even know how to properly spell his own fave. Again, Markus never exhibited speed like Michael did in the entire film so Viktor is better off here. One less disadvantage.
I didn't say anything about the situation I said about his overall speed, troll.

You can't even spell Markus' name correctly which shows you're just a troll. An ignorant troll.

I backed my claims. Viktor kills him in close combat. He fights similarly like against Michael except without the speed disadvantage Michael had over him. I cite evidence whereas you have not.

I sport a Viktor Underworld Sig and you sport an underworld sig though hilariously misspelling Markus' name at every turn.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
And I agree that Markus would win this fight

Originally posted by Utrigita

Originally posted by Utrigita
Thanks.

As for the battle itself, I am tempted to give it to Viktor that is a warrior Markus isn't, that alone can make a difference as also could be seen when Micheal and Viktor battled each other, Viktors skill was superior to Micheals gaining him the win, but I'm not sure, I'm quiet sure that Markus is no slug in H2H combat either the problem is that we only saw him in h2h with Micheal that is beneath Viktor... but...

At least Gideon can spell Markus' name correctly which is more than I can say for the dumb fanboy who thinks it is Marcus.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I agree that Markus would win this fight,

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Originally posted by Silent Master
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Markus may have been the first vampire and all that jazz but Viktor was clearly portrayed as the superior between the two, both in political authority and against Michael.

Viktor wins.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Markus may have been the first vampire and all that jazz but Viktor was clearly portrayed as the superior between the two, both in political authority and against Michael.

Viktor wins.

Take that you fanboys.

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I have a few points that have probably already been stated in one form or another:

1. Michael was untrained and unseasoned as a fighter when he fought Viktor. Clearly, his newness to being a hybrid was his weakness. But he was clearly Viktor's superior in every way. Viktor didn't win that fight: Michael lost it.

2. Michael gets a bit more time to get used to his transformation by the time he fights Markus. He not only gets more time to get used to his transformation, he gets to feed and he ages a bit (allowing him to get stronger). He got utterly schooled by Markus and impaled on a metal pole.

So let's review:

Michael barely loses to Viktor when he is starved, a new born, and inexperienced with his new powers. Barely loses the fight to Viktor.

Michael is fed, older, and more experienced when he fights Markus. Gets his ass utterly handed to him by Markus.

Conclusion: Markus would utterly destroy Viktor in a fight.

It should be obvious, why: Markus is a hybrid and, therefore, stronger than Viktor. Markus would have been stronger, before, because he was the elder vampire. HOWEVER, I believe that pre-hybrid Markus would lose to Viktor. 😐

I don't get all this love and praise for Viktor like he was some elite warrior he kicked ass every time.. let's review...

He lost his fight with Lucien and convincingly so.. he got a sword through his fing mouth

He was going toe to toe with a newly formed hybrid who had no time to adjust to his powers like AT ALL.. while viktor had centuries to do so. And yet Michael was doing just fine against him... In the same sequence he was unable to react to Selene delivering a killing blow to him...

Let's not forget that his daughter also bested him in armed combat and disarmed him on the stairs.. again this was his DAUGHTER that disarmed him relatively easily.

Markus on the other hand... easily dealt with a more powerful Michael and did so pretty easily. He only lost to an AMPED Selene when he had her dead to rights but decided to do a little soliloquy.

All the facts point to Markus being the more powerful vampire and being a hybrid and then partial lycan after he drank the blood of a decapitated lycan.. he's even more powerful. not only that but he can fly.. Viktor can't even touch Markus if he chooses to fight smart. This is pretty much a non fight really.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't get all this love and praise for Viktor like he was some elite warrior he kicked ass every time.. let's review...

He lost his fight with Lucien and convincingly so.. he got a sword through his fing mouth

He was going toe to toe with a newly formed hybrid who had no time to adjust to his powers like AT ALL.. while viktor had centuries to do so. And yet Michael was doing just fine against him... In the same sequence he was unable to react to Selene delivering a killing blow to him...

Let's not forget that his daughter also bested him in armed combat and disarmed him on the stairs.. again this was his DAUGHTER that disarmed him relatively easily.

Markus on the other hand... easily dealt with a more powerful Michael and did so pretty easily. He only lost to an AMPED Selene when he had her dead to rights but decided to do a little soliloquy.

All the facts point to Markus being the more powerful vampire and being a hybrid and then partial lycan after he drank the blood of a decapitated lycan.. he's even more powerful. not only that but he can fly.. Viktor can't even touch Markus if he chooses to fight smart. This is pretty much a non fight really.

Michael was faster and stronger yet still lost. Viktor held back and didn't want to kill her. He was shocked and wanted Lucian. This is also irrelevant to later since he increases with age.

Markus was spared by his father. Selene killed him. He was awful and lost to her directly. She would never dare to challenge Viktor directly.

Viktor wins due to being tactically superior and since Markus lacks Michael's speed this is a foregone conclusion. Viktor wins.

Battlezone between the Vic and Mac sigs?

Originally posted by juggerman
Battlezone between the Vic and Mac sigs?

Figured since he clearly felt strongly enough to change his sig that he might also feel strongly enough to put an end to it once and for all. If he did want to would you or are you still in one with Carv?

Originally posted by juggerman
Figured since he clearly felt strongly enough to change his sig that he might also feel strongly enough to put an end to it once and for all. If he did want to would you or are you still in one with Carv?

Zero has backed down every time. He's an awful debater and every time I start time stamping and posting evidence he takes a vacation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you don't believe a superhumanly strong vampire can decapitate someone with a sword ? You're so pathetic it is kind of amusing. He's shown the ability to crush an old Lycan with his bare hands yet you claim he cannot decpiatate someone with a sword. 😂

Are you even reading anymore? I said show me Vik decapitating someone WITHOUT a sword, as Markus did when he lopped off Kraven's head.

Understand now? Without a sword. Can't believe you need that spelled out for you so implicitly.... 🙄

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Markus was sloppy and was evaded throughout the film and even spared by his own father. He will be sloppy in combat like he was in the entire film. Viktor would kill him within close proximity just like he did against the faster and stronger Michael. Sooner or later he has to get close and that is when Viktor will kill him.

Spared? Sloppy? What movie did you watch?

#1: Markus DEFEATHED Michael with greater ease than Vic did, twice.

#2: Markus does not need to close the gap at all to hit, impale, and slice apart Viktor, nor does he need a weapon to do so.

#3: Even if Viktor could close that gap, despite his slower physical speed, he does not have the damage output needed to overmatch Markus's far superior durability, physical strength, or his tactical options, including speed and flight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Viktor was more intelligent than Markus. That much is evident when he betrayed him and ruled over him for centuries. He hurt his brother William and kept him as a prisoner and the coward known as Markus didn't do anything about it until after Viktor was gone. If Markus was as powerful as you claim he should have done something but he didn't.

Markus is stronger than Viktor, but even he can be overwhelmed by superior numbers. That is literally all Viktor had over Markus.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, Markus never exhibited speed like Michael did in the entire film so Viktor is better off here. One less disadvantage.
I didn't say anything about the situation I said about his overall speed, troll.

Are you saying that the exact same character, Michael, who is Much more powerful when he went up against Markus, is no longer a factor? Are you high right now?

Dude, keeping up with Michae, while moving at relative speed to the moving truck he was on, is a MASSIVE difference than when Vik fought Michael on solid ground.... You are high...

Originally posted by quanchi112
I backed my claims. Viktor kills him in close combat. He fights similarly like against Michael except without the speed disadvantage Michael had over him. I cite evidence whereas you have not.

No, you asserted, incorrectly mind you, that Vik's performance against Michael was better, this is despite being caught on the back foot and had to fight Michael far longer than Markus ever did. Vik died to the Michael / Selene doubleteam, whereas Markus soaked all the damage they could do, several clips of bullets, and being grinded against a rockwall, which would have wiped out any lesser vampire. Vik got taken out twice by swords, he had to sleep for centuries after Lucien stabbed him through the mouth, and was killed by Selene. Surprise or no, you cannot deny that Markus survived things that would end Viktor.

All you cited was tragically misrepresented. I alone have cited the real evidence between us.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Zero has backed down every time. He's an awful debater and every time I start time stamping and posting evidence he takes a vacation.

Aww, does it hurt your wittle feelings that you are not the focus of my attention all the time? Does it pain you that I have more important things to do than deal with your rampant stupidity online?

Grow up, just a little, toddlerman Quan. 🙄

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Are you even reading anymore? I said show me Vik decapitating someone WITHOUT a sword, as Markus did when he lopped off Kraven's head.

Understand now? Without a sword. Can't believe you need that spelled out for you so implicitly.... 🙄

Spared? Sloppy? What movie did you watch?
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#1: Markus DEFEATHED Michael with greater ease than Vic did, twice.

#2: Markus does not need to close the gap at all to hit, impale, and slice apart Viktor, nor does he need a weapon to do so.

#3: Even if Viktor could close that gap, despite his slower physical speed, he does not have the damage output needed to overmatch Markus's far superior durability, physical strength, or his tactical options, including speed and flight.

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2. Viktor will be close enough to hurt him just like Selene was when she killed him.

3. Yes, he does just like he did against Michael. He is strong enough to hurt his body and kill him.

Markus is stronger than Viktor, but even he can be overwhelmed by superior numbers. That is literally all Viktor had over Markus.[/B][QUOTE]
Markus backed down to him. The only on screen comparison had him calling Viktor his lord after he just hurt his brother. Amazing.

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Are you saying that the exact same character, Michael, who is Much more powerful when he went up against Markus, is no longer a factor? Are you high right now?

Dude, keeping up with Michae, while moving at relative speed to the moving truck he was on, is a MASSIVE difference than when Vik fought Michael on solid ground.... You are high...
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No, you asserted, incorrectly mind you, that Vik's performance against Michael was better, this is despite being caught on the back foot and had to fight Michael far longer than Markus ever did. Vik doed to the Michael Selene doubleteam, whereas Markus soaked all the damage they could do, several clips of bullets, and being grinded against a rockwall, which would have wiped out any lesser vampire. Vik got taken out twice by swords, he had to sleep for centuries after Lucien stapped him through the mouth, and was killed by Selene. Surprise or no, you cannot deny that Markus survived things that would end Viktor.

All you cited was tragically misrepresented. I alone have cited the real evidence between us.[B/]

Viktor was burned and was fine right after. He went into a slumber and resolidified his power. Lucian failed despite weakness exploitation.

Aww, does it hurt your wittle feelings that you are not the focus of my attention all the time? Does it pain you that I have more important things to do than deal with your rampant stupidity online?

Grow up, just a little, toddlerman Quan. 🙄 [/B]

You cannot even spell his name correctly.

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Originally posted by juggerman
Figured since he clearly felt strongly enough to change his sig that he might also feel strongly enough to put an end to it once and for all. If he did want to would you or are you still in one with Carv?

Viktor is a chump who got his ass kicked by Lucian.
He was lucky he didnt got killed.