Originally posted by leonheartmm
i beleive magic MIGHT exist. i beleive SUM forms of beings with great supernatural powers CUD exist. i DONT beleive that a biblical/islamic/judaistic god with all the proclaimed attributes{at the same time} cud exist. its just logical.
No it's not. But hey, whatever makes you happy.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Or the way I alter reality to suit my whims, yes I agree. I don't see you're point, though.
Humans have great control over the insects and bacterial world. If an ant encountered a human being it would probably think its was some natural occurance eg a human pisses on an anthill and they will think its raining. I don't think its illogical to think that their are other beings that we are not aware of that have great control over our world.
Originally posted by Red NemesisIt is internally consistent though. Whether or not it is possible is not what you were arguing. You were saying that it doesn't make sense, when it does in fact make sense. You chose to argue a position that says 'he can be infallible but he has to be all of the time or not infallible at all!11!1'. This is not the case. You were admitting the possibility that the Pope could ever be infallible- you accepted Grand-Moff-Gav's frame- his worldview. By arguing within that frame of reference you automatically became wrong, because his worldview is internally consistent (on this issue). If you choose to say that 'there is no Holy Ghost at all, so nothing makes the Pope infallible', then I would not argue with you.
The Holy spirit is a religious idea with no empirical proof. However, if you accept the premise of a Holy Ghost (as you did) then it is entirely possible for it to make a human infallible for a finite period. By accepting his 'Ground rules' you broke your own argument. You said it was illogical, not that it was impossible. There is a major difference.
Your grammar is atrocious.
May I ask what you think suggests that 'magic might exist' or that 'some form of being with supernatural powers could exist'? What evidence or observations have led you to this hypothesis? Also, what about the Judeo-Christian God (Yahweh) do you find illogical? [/B]
1. catholocism is internally inconcistant to begin with, unless you wish to deal with only one or two of its doctrines at a time while leaving the wrest. i said it was nonsense because there was no evidence backing it up and the idea seem ludicrous in this day and age. i never said it was entirely impossible {going by negetive evidence}, but then, so is the invisible purple unicorn. just the possibility of sumthing happening in exactly that way is WAAAAAY into the dimension illogical. i was merely asking him if he BELEIVED the pope cud get magical powers of that omniscient magnitude simply by uttering a few words{and if he cudnt, then grand wud have to concede that the pope always IS infalliable, if his claim about ex cathedra is correct}
2. no i didnt, i simply asked him IF he beleived that was indeed what happened when the pope proclaimed infalliability{see just saying that pope is infalliable at the time has certain implications which are a lot more unreal, i was merely pointing these out} , and then gave my personal oppinion that such extremely simple supernatural beleifs were stupid.
3. mostly negetive evidence, which gives them the POSSIBILITY of existance{or in the case of magic, just some unexplained things ive seen which dont make much sense, but its still not sumthing i beleive in as fact personally} and the fact that such concepts are vague enough to not be internally inconsistant.
as for yahweh, internal inconsistancies in attributes{which lead to MANY questions and paradoxes}. like why a perfect being wud want to create a world outside itself to begin with or take any action for that matter, since action is always motivated by desire or necessity{and a perfect being wud have neither}. inconcistancies between the state of this world/the creation of hell and omnibenevoance. inconcistancies between free will and YHWH's omniscience. inconsistancy between the concept of posessing omniscience and omnipotence at the same time. inconcistancy between's god's actions in scriptures and omnibenevolance. paradox of omnipotence{basically nuthing CAN be omnipotent, no matter how powerful}. god's narcissistic nature. contradiction of god's claims with real world facts. etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
Originally posted by Null ARC Aviswhy doesn't God just heal people. yes, that's a good question. why do people cling to disease and fear instead of just living their lives not minding tomorrow.
Please visit these websites. Not only are they mildly humerous, but they may help you. Then, discuss! http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ http://www.godisimaginary.com/ Although this may sound like trolling, these are GREAT sites! I was laughing out loud and being schocked by the inginuity of the author at the same time. I REALLY recommend these sites.
and now the question 'why do some people manage not to get physically injured while in trance, doing all kinds of crazy body piercing acts.'
Originally posted by parvati120
why doesn't God just heal people. yes, that's a good question. why do people cling to disease and fear instead of just living their lives not minding tomorrow.
those two questions are closely related.
let me guess, you have secret ancient knowledge that makes you, and not everyone else, immune to disease.
I'm willing to help you test this claim 😉
Originally posted by parvati120
and now the question 'why do some people manage not to get physically injured while in trance, doing all kinds of crazy body piercing acts.'
is this rhetoric, or do you want the actual answer?
Originally posted by Da Pittman
😆 Last time I checked they do they just have conditioned themselves to ignore the pain of what they are doing for starters.
Then comes the magic! Or rather the use of ancient methods of self injury that seem to cause harm but, whether known to the yogi or not, really do not do any lasting damage to the body.
has anyone seen the "suspensions" that people do with large surface piercings in their shoulder blades?
People suspend themselves from the ceiling using large metal rings pierced through the shoulder blades. It creates a rush, and people don't describe it as painful, but rather exhilarating.
The large, ornate costumes worn through piercings in some of India's religious celebrations generally produce the same effect. Pain is subjective, and so long as the wounds remain non-life threatening, the body won't shut itself down. Shock and chemical rushes in the brain easily explain the trance like state, especially given the narrative that goes along with the whole ceremony.
Originally posted by inimalist
has anyone seen the "suspensions" that people do with large surface piercings in their shoulder blades?People suspend themselves from the ceiling using large metal rings pierced through the shoulder blades. It creates a rush, and people don't describe it as painful, but rather exhilarating.
The large, ornate costumes worn through piercings in some of India's religious celebrations generally produce the same effect. Pain is subjective, and so long as the wounds remain non-life threatening, the body won't shut itself down. Shock and chemical rushes in the brain easily explain the trance like state, especially given the narrative that goes along with the whole ceremony.
In researching BDSM (I'm a writer on the side) I've found that the description given of "subspace" and how masochists react to specific forms of pain is very much the same as that. In fact the biological and psychological reasons are assumed to be very much the same (namely endorphin rush and conditioning).