Originally posted by pym-ftwKP most definitely has a huge advantage vs dardevil h2h. Much less skilled, much tougher and stronger. Teds less skilled depending on how you look at it, but stronger and tougher with more experience.h
Ok and Matt is faster so...If Matt can drop Fisk, then Idk how Ted pulls many wins if any...
Originally posted by pym-ftwNot the same. Wildcat is the single best boxer there is. Several JSAers view him as the best fighter in their world.
I'd argue that KP and WC are very similarly skilled being experts in a single style
Originally posted by Silent Master
Not that it matters, because DD has the skill and speed to beat Wildcat.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Hes simply being misleading and completely fabricating other details in his posts.Bruce only knew it was wildcat for a portion of the fight. Theres a difference between evasion and holding back. He certainly wasnt holding back with that last punch and Ted took that just fine. What you guys fail to comprehend is that this sort of fight actually is in bruces favor. He has more extensive ma training dealing with circumstances like being blinded. Also, this is not Grants only fight with him. Hes had good showings and an overall good record vs him. Certainly not someone who DD will just work over. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
More BS from him no doubt.
Wow you truly area tool
I've just about had this BS.
1. how am I fabricating when my words literally paraphrase yours yet put the right context to it.
2. He Told Ted he was going to strike and take off his mask. He did, why would Ted have struggled to take it, it clearly wasn't intended to do so.
3. Why evade and not try to strike.
4. he said and I Quote " those last moves clinched it, your wildcat". In other words he'd already suspected. The battles was only 3 pages total.
As for more BS
Argue that this is false
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2949099
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2949098
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2949097
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2949095
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2949094
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2949093
6 pages out of 8 showing two fights where Catwoman handed Wildcat his @$$. There was yet another in Gotham Sirens and at the end of that series Selina stated she beats Ted regularly.
If you look at the rest of the images on my CV Wildcat page you'll see quite a few decent H2H feats for Ted. All against unknowns.
So mister "I made the respect thread check it out" I know the context of every single scan you've posted out of context on it. If you want to retain any red what so ever better reign it in.
Originally posted by beatboks
Wow you truly area tool
I've just about had this BS.
1. how am I fabricating when my words literally paraphrase yours yet put the right context to it.
2. He Told Ted he was going to strike and take off his mask. He did, why would Ted have struggled to take it, it clearly wasn't intended to do so.
3. Why evade and not try to strike.
4. he said and I Quote " those last moves clinched it, your wildcat". In other words he'd already suspected. The battles was only 3 pages total.As for more BS
Argue that this is false
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2949099
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2949098
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2949097
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2949095
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2949094
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-29490936 pages out of 8 showing two fights where Catwoman handed Wildcat his @$$. There was yet another in Gotham Sirens and at the end of that series Selina stated she beats Ted regularly.
If you look at the rest of the images on my CV Wildcat page you'll see quite a few decent H2H feats for Ted. All against unknowns.
So mister "I made the respect thread check it out" I know the context of every single scan you've posted out of context on it. If you want to retain any red what so ever better reign it in.
Your inaccurate details spoke volumes from the gate. Youve been exposed. Now lets clear up some more of this.
He spoke to Ted as he was striking him with that haymaker that failed to KO or significantly injure him. Dont try to make it seem like he gave him forewarning. Bruce said something about opening his skull as he struck him. Its more than safe to say that that blow was meant to do some major damage. It didnt. Read the scans.
He struck him several times. Did you not see the scans? Sheesh.
He said,"that last combination clinched it". Meaning he just realized it was ted with the attack directly beforehand.
I cant view any of those. I know h2h fight to KO Catwoman stands zero chance of beating Ted. Youve probably got scans of that boxing lesson ted gave her where she managed to hit him while he was toying with her, right?
Originally posted by namorsubby
I simply know what I'm talking about when it comes to Ted. You obviously do not.Your inaccurate details spoke volumes from the gate. Youve been exposed. Now lets clear up some more of this.
He spoke to Ted as he was striking him with that haymaker that failed to KO or significantly injure him. Dont try to make it seem like he gave him forewarning. Bruce said something about opening his skull as he struck him. Its more than safe to say that that blow was meant to do some major damage. It didnt. Read the scans.
He struck him several times. Did you not see the scans? Sheesh.
He said,"that last combination clinched it". Meaning he just realized it was ted with the attack directly beforehand.
I cant view any of those. I know h2h fight to KO Catwoman stands zero chance of beating Ted. Youve probably got scans of that boxing lesson ted gave her where she managed to hit him while he was toying with her, right?
ha ha, No wonder you don't know what your talking about. You actually can't read. your hold on the vernacular is insufficient to fully understand what is being said.
You claim to know Ted yet your vaunted Respect thread is full of poor showins. You have a one panel scan of him punching Mordru that conveniently ignores the rest of the fight where said cahracter with no H2H combat skill at all owns him.
It also has him taking down goons with Powergirl yet he can't even get out of one of the goons way and need PG to save his hide in story.
The details I posted were paraphrased ( basically parroted) by you except you said they meant something else. The only inaccuracy i did have which I corrected was how Joker black mailed them into a fight because i hadn't read it in decades. It didn't change any other fact I mentioned. You haven't even attempted to counter my clarification of your claim that his fight with the Injustice society didn't show any skill ( though you claim it's a great showing of skill). A
Clinch means
clinch
[klinch] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to settle (a matter) decisively: After they clinched the deal they went out to celebrate.
2.
to secure (a nail, screw, etc.) in position by beating down the protruding point: He drove the nails through the board and clinched the points flat with a hammer.
That isn't to just realize that is to finally nail down as definite . In other words it's settled the matter meaning he'd already been on that idea to start with.
One of the scans I loaded is clearly of the fight she has with Ted on a roof top, or does Ted loose all his battles because he doesn't try. that just makes him even more pathetic (which he isn't). So when you don't have an answer you try to defect with falsehoods yourself.
I Own all of Ted's appearances in JSA, JSA Classified, Justice Society, All Star Comics, All Star Squadron, Young All Stars, JLA, Infinity Inc, various JSA mini's like strange Adventures, vs Kobra, America Vs, the end of, and a few others. I have his Brave and the Bold appearances and his Adventure appearances. I Also have about 19 to 20 of his nearly 100 Sensation comics appearances. I have well over 300 of his 800+ appearances ( many of those that i don't are reproductions of what I do in trades etc)
I'm 54 and have been a JSA fan since their relaunch in the 70's.
If you have a look at the CV wiki on WC you'll see that 1/3 of the points for contribution are mine. The Wikipedia page on him is nearly 70% mine, The DC wikia "Ted Grant New Earth is also a lot of my contribution. His Ledger Wiki is entirely my work ( whihc one Day I'll finish I've been more focused on other characters like Dr fate and Alan Scot over their)
http://www.comicvine.com/wildcat/4005-7645/
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Ted_Grant_%28New_Earth%29
http://comicsledger.wikia.com/wiki/Wildcat
The Ledger pages I've spent more time on
http://comicsledger.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Fate
http://comicsledger.wikia.com/wiki/Alan_Scot
I think it's easy to see who knows what when you can clearly see my fingerprints ( my username) on much of the information that is available on the net on the character.
I love Ted, have a lot of respect for him as a character. I however pride myself in never stooping to fanboysim in debates. Ted has struggled on many occasions to handle a single skilled opponent. Matt has handled on many occasions many skilled opponents. Seriously the answer is very simple.
Oh BTW about reading your scans, maybe you should read tehm yourself. batman said ( small print so Wildcat could hear likely a whisper) "the next one's going to open your eyes". then in large bold print ( for the benefit of those watching ) "or your skull". Because Batman often goes around trying to open the skull of his friends. Like he wont even do that to the bad guys. He was clearly by anyone who's ever read the character trying to make sure Ted could see it was him not take him down. Even then he was holding back. But in any case, I've had enough of trying to explain to someone who clearly can't grasp the complexities of a simply plot device.
You think citing shortcomings or low showings for characters helps to suppprt your argument, but you fail to realize that EVERY SINGLE comic character has them in abundance. Dumb.
My thread is not full of poor showings you moron. Its a respect thread. Do you know what that means? Why would I showcase those poor performances you mentioned and probably lied about anyway. Its a respect thread.
Theres no way he suspected it was Ted to start. He cant see. When ted got the first punch he speared him and threw him down. He wasnt holding back.
Ted has beaten a room full of younger combatants with all his skill. Youre pathetic for trying to focus only on Teds low points and completely ignoring everything ive spoonfed you. Sounds exactly like bias.
Ill say it again. No one with the record/good showings Ted has against Bruce will "get their ass kicked" by matt. His strength, experience, skill, and toughness defy your slanted argument.
Even when Bruce hit him with all he had you still claim he was holding back. What person with a brain would see someone hit another like that and call it "holding back". Youll make any ridiculous or untrue statement to try and support your stance.
Wildcat 6-7/10
ah your vaunted knowledge, I "probably " lied about did I. is that because tou don't know the context of your own scans. dude one of your scans in your respect thread clearly show PG screaming to WC to Look out and then put herself between him and an enemy to block a blast. you showed a poor showing of his and called it skill. ROFLMAO, the truth comes out in your own ststement.
I'm not trying to use poor showings dolt, what i'm using is a mediun - the average. Ted has more low showings than Matt ( a lot more) and his high showings aren't at the same level as matt.
the room full of young opponents were all unknowns. with no established history what so ever. he's also take. down a biilding full of armed thugs. I've already mentioned both. I told you if you look at the scans on my CV Wild at page you would see actual skill showings ( and both these and more are there). but your not using these. you have a scan on your thread showing ted punch mordru and saying he Ko's him. of course he didn't and we dont see the hand full of scans of Mordru ( who has no combat skill) taking down WC in h2h or breakinf or dislocating his shoulder.
If batman was trying to go all out why do we never see him try to strike or punch or kick Ted in the first couple of pages. no he tries to grab and then avoid. Brice doesn't know who he's fighting so he's assessing from the beginning. his whole combat method is even more proof of how it went down.
Originally posted by beatbokshow many low showings does matt have in comparison to ted. Give me the numbers or shut up. You dont know. Youre saying on average ted is unable to deal with one skilled opponent. You obviously dont know what you are talking about.
ah your vaunted knowledge, I "probably " lied about did I. is that because tou don't know the context of your own scans. dude one of your scans in your respect thread clearly show PG screaming to WC to Look out and then put herself between him and an enemy to block a blast. you showed a poor showing of his and called it skill. ROFLMAO, the truth comes out in your own ststement.I'm not trying to use poor showings dolt, what i'm using is a mediun - the average. Ted has more low showings than Matt ( a lot more) and his high showings aren't at the same level as matt.
Originally posted by beatbokslol. You dont need to be skilled in h2h to hurt a human when youre magic. You are ridiculous.
the room full of young opponents were all unknowns. with no established history what so ever. he's also take. down a biilding full of armed thugs. I've already mentioned both. I told you if you look at the scans on my CV Wild at page you would see actual skill showings ( and both these and more are there). but your not using these. you have a scan on your thread showing ted punch mordru and saying he Ko's him. of course he didn't and we dont see the hand full of scans of Mordru ( who has no combat skill) taking down WC in h2h or breakinf or dislocating his shoulder.
If batman was trying to go all out why do we never see him try to strike or punch or kick Ted in the first couple of pages. no he tries to grab and then avoid. Brice doesn't know who he's fighting so he's assessing from the beginning. his whole combat method is even more proof of how it went down.
Ted floored bruce then let him get up before instead of finishing him. He held back in that fight.
Bruce struck him with a haymaker even after he knew it was him. Thats not holding back. Your "argument" is moot.
Originally posted by namorsubby
how many low showings does matt have in comparison to ted. Give me the numbers or shut up. You dont know. Youre saying on average ted is unable to deal with one skilled opponent. You obviously dont know what you are talking about.lol. You dont need to be skilled in h2h to hurt a human when youre magic. You are ridiculous.
Ted floored bruce then let him get up before instead of finishing him. He held back in that fight.
Bruce struck him with a haymaker even after he knew it was him. Thats not holding back. Your "argument" is moot.
When you hurt someone without using the magic but. In steadily use physical combat tk dislocate the shoulder of a master combatant the way Mordru did to Ted early on in JSA the fact that mordru has no skill becomes vermont pertinent. aybe ou think items ridiculous that someone with no combat skill whatsover can manhanndle a master of four martial arts I don t