@namorsubby, something I've thought of that I would like to point out.
In skill Iron fist and Black Panther would amtch Bruce, plus bot are physically enhanced ( in the case of IF from Chi). It's widely accepted that both would beat Bruce.
It's also widely accepted that Captain America would also unless Bruce has his gadgets, correct???
Now in all the showings you've mentioned of Ted vs Bruce they've all been stalemates even if we take your interpretation of them.
Yet Matt has beaten Danny Rand, T'challa and Steve Rogers in h2h fights. I'll grant some IMO should not have happened, but they did. Yes he's also lost to Cap but he has wins against a few characters that would beat batman and Ted hasn't beaten Batman. How does that sit with your Ted for the majority??
Originally posted by namorsubby
Ted has beaten batman.....as an old man yet unrejuvenated.
Issue please ?? I hope it's not teh staged fight of the alternate future of the fourth Reitch. The one that was meant to be a distraction for Micheal Holt.
IMO Bruce is at least as skilled as any combatant youve named. Dannys IF and Tchallas suit is what would give them the majority vs Batman.
Don't disagree, Danny, Logan and T'Challa are Bruce's equals in skill, but both have distinct physical advantages that give them the win over Bruce. For Danny his chi, for T'Challa the enhancements of the Heart Shaped Herb. For logan his mutant healing increased strength,speed, agility and senses etc. Physically these guy's can operate in the super human category AND have Bruces skill yet Matt has defeated each of them more than once ( and it was an actual defeat).
The thing is Ted is in the Top 30 DCU, while Matt is in the top 20 Marvel. Since Matt also has physical advantages in his senses this exacerbates his edge. I can see Ted taking 4 out of 10 because of his intensity ( primarily because he knows he can't be killed so goes in a little harder than most street levelers much like Logan- the reason he's defeated several he shouldn't)
Originally posted by beatboks
Issue please ?? I hope it's not teh staged fight of the alternate future of the fourth Reitch. The one that was meant to be a distraction for Micheal Holt.Don't disagree, Danny, Logan and T'Challa are Bruce's equals in skill, but both have distinct physical advantages that give them the win over Bruce. For Danny his chi, for T'Challa the enhancements of the Heart Shaped Herb. For logan his mutant healing increased strength,speed, agility and senses etc. Physically these guy's can operate in the super human category AND have Bruces skill yet Matt has defeated each of them more than once ( and it was an actual defeat).
The thing is Ted is in the Top 30 DCU, while Matt is in the top 20 Marvel. Since Matt also has physical advantages in his senses this exacerbates his edge. I can see Ted taking 4 out of 10 because of his intensity ( primarily because he knows he can't be killed so goes in a little harder than most street levelers much like Logan- the reason he's defeated several he shouldn't)
I don't recall the whole situation at the moment, but it wasn't that. Bruce layed down a bit, but wildcat was at least like 60 and unrejuvenated then.....and theres still the stalemate where ted knocks him down then lets him up again.
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Brave_and_the_Bold_88_12.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Brave_and_the_Bold_88_13.jpg
Thing is, Id definitely take Danny and Tchalla, for a heavy majority over DD in a forum match. Logan gets 10/10. Id give Batman a slimmer majority. So....
Originally posted by Silent Master
Daredevil wins.
Less than Ted would? I agree.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Ted has beaten batman.....as an old man yet unrejuvenated.
Sure, because he has knockout power. Even if someone is more skilled and'll win the majority, Ted'll pretty much always be a threat because that one time in (3? 5? Whatever) he'll land the right series of punches and send them down.
Ted may have knockout power, but he's too one dimensional to beat someone who can keep up with Spidey.
Basically, Matt's going to read Ted like an open book. You really need to be blatantly super human, have a way of nullifying his sixth sense, or catch him on a bad day (Say, when he's sick and the radar sense isn't working so well) to catch him flat footed.
Spidey jobs to many lesser street level opponents at times, DD being one of them. Saying he can "keep up" with him seems to imply that he is somewhere near that teir, which is not so whether we're speaking in terms of physical abilities or overall power level in general.
I disagree that a character must be explicitly defined as superhuman in order to beat dd. It would take someone who seems to blur the lines in some aspects, like his enemies Bullseye(uncanny accuracy)and kingpin(clearly inhuman strength level). Elektra would be another example. It's not titles but what they've proven capable of in feats. Teds damage soak, strength, skill, experience and even speed has been displayed as enough for him to do some crazy things on panel vs superhuman opponents as nothing more than an unarmed human combatant. He's beaten hawkman twice. He had impressive showings against Bruce, another peak human whom I think could beat dd. Like someone said earlier, he's displayed impressive KO power as this is his only means of subduing opponents as well as a high level of endurance for any human character in comics. He really does have a very impressive resume of feats for any peak human, even as a C lister at best.
