Jiraya and Naruto vs Orochimaru and Sasuke

Originally posted by yungz22
i was just staing that jiraiya cant beat oro as easily as you say he will

Look at the size of Enma and look at Gamabunta. Enma is more like a ninja teammate kinda like akamaru to kiba. Plus the 3rd was getting jumped by a sannin and two hokage.

look at how big that exploosion was. All your doing is proving my point they only use the summons if they need to. Neither Gamabunta nor Manda are going to fight a ninja. They would only fight summons or protect their summoners from eminent danger...

Example The frog you are talking about that squashes people was used against a summon not a ninja.

If sasuke controlled the toad sage (the leader of the frogs) the others wouldnt be able to handle him. Plus if sasuke doesnt control Gamabunta Oro has Manda who if not for Tsunade would have killed Gamabunta.

Jiraiya has gotten alot better than the last time they supposibly went head to head.

That doesn't matter, it was still a summoning, and it never states that a summoning can't fight a nonsummoning.

😆 If they had to, they would fight a ninja. All Gamabunta needs to do is use liquid bullet and kill any ninja, and again it never states that summonings can't fight ninja.

Jiraiya summoned Gama when he confronted Kisame, and that is against another ninja.

I doubt Sasuke would be able to do that to Jiraiya, he would just release the genjutsu that is controlling him. Gamabunta, if he was smart enough could have either taken the hit from the tail and avoid the bite from manda, or try to jump out of the way of the tail and snake bite.

Originally posted by Wil7
Jiraiya has gotten alot better than the last time they supposibly went head to head.

That doesn't matter, it was still a summoning, and it never states that a summoning can't fight a nonsummoning.

😆 If they had to, they would fight a ninja. All Gamabunta needs to do is use liquid bullet and kill any ninja, and again it never states that summonings can't fight ninja.

Jiraiya summoned Gama when he confronted Kisame, and that is against another ninja.

I doubt Sasuke would be able to do that to Jiraiya, he would just release the genjutsu that is controlling him. Gamabunta, if he was smart enough could have either taken the hit from the tail and avoid the bite from manda, or try to jump out of the way of the tail and snake bite.

Jiraiya never summoned Gamabunta against Kisame. That was ninjutsu that changes the terrain Just like how zabuza uses his mist but on a higher scale. Sasuke can control Gamabunta if he can controll Manda who is a way more unstable summon. All of the large scale summons have moral problems fighting unworthy opponents. namely smaller things.

You are giving Jiraiya way too much credit. The rasengan is too direct and slow of an attack to hit both sasuke and oro. He would have to find away to get past both sasuke's speed and chidori nagashi. And oro's snakes that seem to come out of every limb of his body.
For the rasengan to work you need to hace the enemy either outmaneuvered or immobile.

Example: Kabuto, Itachi clone, Hidan

You mean Kakuzu, not Hidan. I think.

Originally posted by Ryuugi
You mean Kakuzu, not Hidan. I think.

yea kakuzu

Originally posted by yungz22
Jiraiya never summoned Gamabunta against Kisame. That was ninjutsu that changes the terrain Just like how zabuza uses his mist but on a higher scale. Sasuke can control Gamabunta if he can controll Manda who is a way more unstable summon. All of the large scale summons have moral problems fighting unworthy opponents. namely smaller things.

You are giving Jiraiya way too much credit. The rasengan is too direct and slow of an attack to hit both sasuke and oro. He would have to find away to get past both sasuke's speed and chidori nagashi. And oro's snakes that seem to come out of every limb of his body.
For the rasengan to work you need to hace the enemy either outmaneuvered or immobile.

Example: Kabuto, Itachi clone, Hidan

I didn't say Gamabunta, I said Gama. I am talking about the smaller frog. Jiraiya would summon a few frogs to hold down Sasuke, and then Jiraiya twin rasengan's him.

Jiraiya probably can't take them both, but with Naruto in the mix, Naruto beats Sasuke, and Jiraiya beats Oro. Don't say chidori, rasengan is way stronger than chidori. Jiraiya would summon tons of frogs, and Naruto would summon some frogs, just to be safe, and they thurn into hermit mode, and that is the end of the fight.

Originally posted by Wil7
I didn't say Gamabunta, I said Gama. I am talking about the smaller frog. Jiraiya would summon a few frogs to hold down Sasuke, and then Jiraiya twin rasengan's him.

Jiraiya probably can't take them both, but with Naruto in the mix, Naruto beats Sasuke, and Jiraiya beats Oro. Don't say chidori, rasengan is way stronger than chidori. Jiraiya would summon tons of frogs, and Naruto would summon some frogs, just to be safe, and they thurn into hermit mode, and that is the end of the fight.

have you ever seen jiraiya aummon more than one toad. I didnt say chidori i said chidori nagashi the one that allows none to get near you and nullifies attacks. Oh yea and i forgot sasuke can electricute the groung making the enemy have to go to the air where sauke's blade will be waiting. Rasengan is not stronger than the chidori. If it were they would not have stalemates every time they clashed. the two attacks are equal. But if you put wind into the mix only then is rasengan stronger than chidori. Naruto definently isnt going to beat sasuke easily considering sasuke is faster than him and has greater taijutsu. Not to mention the MS. All hermit mode does is make physical and ninjutsu attacks stronger. That alone is not going to beat sasuke or Orochimaru. They both also have an array of genjutsu. Their taijutsu is pretty good. Both have overwhelmingly powerful ninjutsu.

i think the fight would be a good one but i cant come up with a winner

Originally posted by yungz22
have you ever seen jiraiya aummon more than one toad. I didnt say chidori i said chidori nagashi the one that allows none to get near you and nullifies attacks. Oh yea and i forgot sasuke can electricute the groung making the enemy have to go to the air where sauke's blade will be waiting. Rasengan is not stronger than the chidori. If it were they would not have stalemates every time they clashed. the two attacks are equal. But if you put wind into the mix only then is rasengan stronger than chidori. Naruto definently isnt going to beat sasuke easily considering sasuke is faster than him and has greater taijutsu. Not to mention the MS. All hermit mode does is make physical and ninjutsu attacks stronger. That alone is not going to beat sasuke or Orochimaru. They both also have an array of genjutsu. Their taijutsu is pretty good. Both have overwhelmingly powerful ninjutsu.

Yes, against Pein, i think. Yeah, you do have a point, but jiraiya is jiraiya, and he will figure out how to nulify his attacks. But Naruto's ninjutsu is better than Sasuke's and that is all he needs, and he will turn into 4 tails and kill him.

Hell, you know what, Jiraiya summons Gamabunta and either uses liquid bullet, or toad flame bomb.

Originally posted by Wil7
Yes, against Pein, i think. Yeah, you do have a point, but jiraiya is jiraiya, and he will figure out how to nulify his attacks. But Naruto's ninjutsu is better than Sasuke's and that is all he needs, and he will turn into 4 tails and kill him.

Hell, you know what, Jiraiya summons Gamabunta and either uses liquid bullet, or toad flame bomb.

HOW IS NARUTO'S NINJUTSU BETTER THAN SASUKE'S

Sasuke has more ninjutsu's some of which are way more powerful and effective than naruto's repertoire.

Naruto: Rasengan Three variations , Shadow Clone, Mass Shadow clone jutsu and summoning.

Sasuke:Chidori way more than three variations, fire ball jutsu, dragon flame jutsu, Pheonix Flower jutsu not to mention Grand dragon fire jutsu,Shadow Shuriken, Kirin, Amaterasu

HOW IS NARUTO'S NINJUTSU BETTER

Originally posted by yungz22
HOW IS NARUTO'S NINJUTSU BETTER THAN SASUKE'S

Sasuke has more ninjutsu's some of which are way more powerful and effective than naruto's repertoire.

Naruto: Rasengan Three variations , Shadow Clone, Mass Shadow clone jutsu and summoning.

Sasuke:Chidori way more than three variations, fire ball jutsu, dragon flame jutsu, Pheonix Flower jutsu not to mention Grand dragon fire jutsu,Shadow Shuriken, Kirin, Amaterasu

HOW IS NARUTO'S NINJUTSU BETTER

4 tails, and that is better than all of sasuke's

Eliminate fire ball, and pheonix flower, those moves are pathetic D- Rank jutsu's. Kirin, and Amaterasu are good, but avoidable, and 4 tail's blast is pretty hard to avoid. He destroyed a giagantic part of a forest, sasuke hasn't.

Originally posted by Wil7
4 tails, and that is better than all of sasuke's

Eliminate fire ball, and pheonix flower, those moves are pathetic D- Rank jutsu's. Kirin, and Amaterasu are good, but avoidable, and 4 tail's blast is pretty hard to avoid. He destroyed a giagantic part of a forest, sasuke hasn't.

Kirin destroyed a mountain. Avoidable how is Naruto faster than lightning. Itachi couldnt even dodge it. Yet he chose to block it with Susanoo.

Amaterasu burned down a forest. Avoidable last time i checked sasuke who is much faster was unable to dodge it. Plus Naruto is not faster than eyesight.

4 tails. Puh. Look how long it took for him to start that blast. it in no way is faster or stronger than these two techniques. Before naruto gets that technique off he is either suppressed or burned to death by Amaterasu

The Databook considers Sasuke Ninjutsu to be away above Narutos. Before even MS came into the picture

I don't remember it saying that Csdabest.

And yungz22, they are both still avoidable, while 4 tails blast is too hard to avoid.

Narutos Ninjutsu Rating-4
Sasukes Ninjutsu Rating-5
Narutos Seal rating-1.5
Sasukes Seal rating-4

Sasuke is just better at Ninjutsu and have more than Naruto.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Narutos Ninjutsu Rating-4
Sasukes Ninjutsu Rating-5
Narutos Seal rating-1.5
Sasukes Seal rating-4

Sasuke is just better at Ninjutsu and have more than Naruto.

Where does it state that?

in the character Databook stats. Leafninja.com has them.

Originally posted by Wil7
I don't remember it saying that Csdabest.

And yungz22, they are both still avoidable, while 4 tails blast is too hard to avoid.

how is amaterasu and kirin avoidable and the 4 tails blast is not?

4 tails blast destroyed part of a forest.

Kirin destryod a mountain and comes down in 1/1000 of a second how is that avoidable?

Amaterasu burned a forest down. is as fast as the eye can see. How is that more avoidable than the 4 tail's blast that takes so long to fire?

Kilin and amaterasu were both avoided by 2 extremly high level jutsu both of which neither naruto or jiraiya have.

Kilin blocked by susanoo
Amaterasu avoided by high level substitution.

sasuke has better ninjutsu than naruto and if oro did not stop sasuke before he was able 2 use his attack naruto sai and sakura would hav been killed

Originally posted by Csdabest
in the character Databook stats. Leafninja.com has them.

Don't show me something from a website, I want a manga scan.

Originally posted by Wil7
Don't show me something from a website, I want a manga scan.

Why see when i already told you most of the jutsu he can do