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So Obi1 can take out Vapaad users now??
Bulq may not be able to penetrate Obi1's defences, but does Obi1 have a sufficient enough attack to take out a Powerful Vapaad user?? someone who Mace admitted knew Vapaad almost as well as he did, as he helped Mace develop it. The most difficult form to master, and a high level master of multiple other forms!! hes not likely to make a mistake or leave an opening for Obi1 to take.
Could be a draw.. As a lot of soresu fighters fights end up. Due to an penetrable defence, but lousy in the attack department.
okay. that wasn't hard. Just reading the Wookipedia (which i don't use as a source... but, i'm going to assume its info is good, feel free to contradict me with canon)
It says that Bulq helped Mace refine Vapaad. In shatterpoint, Mace says that only he and one other person (bilaba) mastered Vapaad. This means that Bulq helped in the refinement only, he never mastered Vapaad.
Originally posted by truejedi
okay. that wasn't hard. Just reading the Wookipedia (which i don't use as a source... but, i'm going to assume its info is good, feel free to contradict me with canon)It says that Bulq helped Mace refine Vapaad. In shatterpoint, Mace says that only he and one other person (bilaba) mastered Vapaad. This means that Bulq helped in the refinement only, he never mastered Vapaad.
Right. Because Bulq fell to the Dark Side after learning Vaapad, so in Mace's opinion, Vaapad mastered him.
I would say that he indeed had mastered Vaapad. However, he used a variation of it, different from Depa and Mace. He used a small parrying lightdagger (shoto, or sholto, or something) in one hand, with his saber in the other. So basically it was a one-handed Vaapad style, with a parrying dagger in his other.
yeah, shoto is the term. I would think something like Soresu would be perfect for countering Vapaad. Its all about furious fast strikes, whereas Soresu is all about blocking as many fast strikes as possible. (Shatterpoint analogy about the Vapaad plant)
I'm thinking Soresu would be the ideal form for countering Vapaad.
Originally posted by truejedi
yeah, shoto is the term. I would think something like Soresu would be perfect for countering Vapaad. Its all about furious fast strikes, whereas Soresu is all about blocking as many fast strikes as possible. (Shatterpoint analogy about the Vapaad plant)I'm thinking Soresu would be the ideal form for countering Vapaad.
It would be. Now consider that Bulq's Vaapad would be less powerful than Mace's, because Bulq would be using one-handed strikes instead of two-handed blows...
Mastering Vapaad is in itself a completely irrelevent factor in this fight because Obi-Wan is not a darksider.
That being said, Obi-Wan has mastered Soresu to a degree that no one else in all of Jedi history has ever done, that is superior to Sora's feat making it doubly irrelevet.
Obi-Wan wins all three. He wins the first without difficulty.