Originally posted by Lucien A
Definititely. Plus Vapaad isn't gonna do a lot so... Bulq's list of advantages grows thin.
Vapaad is the deadliest form. so against light sider or dark sider its Definetely gna do a lot.
and Bulq's a Master of every lightsaber form including Soresu. so thats about 6 advantages right there.
DP, does he use Soresu? is it his form of choice? Again, thats the only thing that matters. How good is he at his chosen form? Doesn't do him a whole lot of good to know Soresu if he is using Vapaad to attack kenobi when he makes a mistake.
Geez. The words "master of multiple forms" doesn't mean squat. In fact, it just means that person had less practice with his chosen form than he might have.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Vapaad is the deadliest form. so against light sider or dark sider its Definetely gna do a lot.
Wrong.
It's the "deadliest" because it is the most aggressive, and is powerful against dark siders. Deadliest does not mean best, and Obi-Wan is about as close to the light side as you can get, so him knowing Vapaad is irrelevant.
you keep saying this but you still havent proven it... howz Obi1 gna get past Bulq's defence. Bulq has also mastered Soresu.. (hes mastered every form).. and his shoto helps with his defence.
"Mastered" is ambiguous and doesn't mean much, plus he has no feats.
Obi-Wan is simply better.
NO NO I never said he is going to use Soresu. Hes mastered every form.. the advantage of that is ull be familiar with whatever from your opponent uses, including its strength and weaknesses. also he can obviously switch to another form if needed. For example anytime Obi1 goes on the attack, he could theoetically quickly switch to soresu himself. but i doubt he would.. as im sure Vapaads more than a match for any attack Obi1 can bring to the table.
what im arguing is u guys keep saying Obi1 is better, but without any reasoning. how is he better in Sabers?? he may be the best at defending himself, but he cant just defend all day can he?? at some point hes going to have to attack.. and I dnt see how any of his attacks are going to take down a Vapaad Master.
If you say hes gna tire Bulq out.. Fine. If you say hes gna use Superior Force powers to take out Bulq then again fine. Thats called using reasoning to explain how Obi is better or how he would win. but just saying hes better in Sabers than someone whose mastered every form, and uses the deadliest form, without any reasoning or explanation, I just dnt get.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Wrong.It's the "deadliest" because it is the most aggressive, and is powerful against dark siders. Deadliest does not mean best, and Obi-Wan is about as close to the light side as you can get, so him knowing Vapaad is irrelevant.
Actually your wrong. It IS the Most Powerful form whether ebing used against Dark siders or Lightsaiders.
And it is the dealiest form as well. This is according to Yoda himself. Cant argue best though because every form has its strengths. Soresu is the Best for Defending. Makashi for duelling. Djem So for bringing Powerful Blows into Swrod Play, and Vapaad the Most Powereful.
Even wielders of Vaapad could lose against wielder of other form. Don't overrate Vaapad. Any form is good if you really MASTERED it. Anakin is good with Djem So. Obi-Wan is good with Soresu. Yoda is good with Ataru. Yoda said Juyo/Vaapad is the most powerful because of its unpredictable moves, although gives you more kinetic power, but it's not something purely for dueling like Djem So. I have never read anything stating that Vaapad is a dueling form. Only Makashi and Djem So. Djem So is created purely for dominating enemy in a fight with raw strength. Soresu with nearly impenetrable defence, then strikes when there's a chance. Ataru with blinding speed and acrobatic moves. Makashi with elegance, precise and tactic. Shi-Cho with determination against many opponent. Niman with balance over the first 5 forms. And Juyo with unpredictable moves. Vaapad is a state of mind.
If you really want to know Vaapad's weakness, here you go :
1. Can bring you to the dark side
2. If you lost concentration, you'll lose its power
3. Effective against dark-siders, but not so effective against light-siders
4. Demands high dark emotion
5. Anger can easily be disrupted by putting fear, etc
6. Must enjoy the thrill of battle, but skilled force practitioner can put fear into their enemies's hearts.
Djem So, has a lack of mobility, but it increases its strength with each blow.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
"Mastered" is ambiguous and doesn't mean much, plus he has no feats.
Should clear up any potential (read: nonexistent) ambiguity. Sora was a master of every form of lightsaber combat; that is very clear.
Obi-Wan is simply better.Prove it.
Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
WTF are you talking about? Do you even know how Vapaad works?
Do you?
Vapaad has 2 parts to it. Its physical aspects and its metaphysical aspect.
Its metaphysical aspects makes it especially dangerous against darksiders.
Its Physical aspects however is at least as Dangerous as Juyo. Very Powerful Blows, with very Unpredicatable movements against Dark siders OR LightSIDERS!
Originally posted by Ultimate Vader
Even wielders of Vaapad could lose against wielder of other form. Don't overrate Vaapad. Any form is good if you really MASTERED it. Anakin is good with Djem So. Obi-Wan is good with Soresu. Yoda is good with Ataru. Yoda said Juyo/Vaapad is the most powerful because of its unpredictable moves, although gives you more kinetic power, but it's not something purely for dueling like Djem So. I have never read anything stating that Vaapad is a dueling form. Only Makashi and Djem So. Djem So is created purely for dominating enemy in a fight with raw strength. Soresu with nearly impenetrable defence, then strikes when there's a chance. Ataru with blinding speed and acrobatic moves. Makashi with elegance, precise and tactic. Shi-Cho with determination against many opponent. Niman with balance over the first 5 forms. And Juyo with unpredictable moves. Vaapad is a state of mind.If you really want to know Vaapad's weakness, here you go :
1. Can bring you to the dark side
2. If you lost concentration, you'll lose its power
3. Effective against dark-siders, but not so effective against light-siders
4. Demands high dark emotion
5. Anger can easily be disrupted by putting fear, etc
6. Must enjoy the thrill of battle, but skilled force practitioner can put fear into their enemies's hearts.Djem So, has a lack of mobility, but it increases its strength with each blow.
Now imagine someone whose mastered every single one of those above forms!
Clearly hes a pro. Clearly hes not gna let his guard down or make a mistake.
Soresu's weakness is its lack of attack movements. So now for the millionth time, and with reasoning please, how exactly is Obi1 with his weak attack going to take out Sora Bulq in a Saber fight, whose clearly not gna give Obi1 the opening or mistake he needs to win.
Originally posted by Faunus
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/masteredShould clear up any potential (read: nonexistent) ambiguity. Sora was a master of every form of lightsaber combat; that is very clear.
Can you quote the definition there that applies? I am way too lazy and stupid to read all that.
Prove it.
No.
So young in love, they couldn't wait...
Said their vows just to run away
Suddenly, they felt their lives had changed...
They believed their hearts were strong
Just to find they couldn't get along
The dream they shared, slowly came undone...
WILL SHE GO OR WILL SHE STAY (WILL SHE STAYYYY)
FOOL HERSELF FOR ONE MO' DAY (ONE MORE DAYYYY)
DON'T GIVE UP,
NEVER WALK AWAYYAYAYAYAYYY
LOVE'S A PROMISE THAT HE MADE (THAT HE MAAAADE)
IN HIS HEART, IT STILL REMAINS (STILL REMAAAAINS)
DON'T GIVE UP,
NEVER WALK AWAYAYAYAYAYAYYY
*guitar solo*