Bulq was best known among the Jedi for his skill with the lightsaber; he was known to have achieved mastery of all the lightsaber combat forms and was considered among the Order's greatest swordsmen.[1] Bulq was one of the few Jedi to use Vaapad, which Windu created and he helped refine, though Windu later took the position that Bulq had not mastered Vaapad but instead been mastered by it.[1][2][13] Vaapad was Bulq's preferred form, though he added to it the use of a shoto.
Sora Bulq- Powers and abilities (wookiepedia)
Originally posted by Enyalus
Right. Because Bulq fell to the Dark Side after learning Vaapad, so in Mace's opinion, Vaapad mastered him.I would say that he indeed had mastered Vaapad. However, he used a variation of it, different from Depa and Mace. He used a small parrying lightdagger (shoto, or sholto, or something) in one hand, with his saber in the other. So basically it was a one-handed Vaapad style, with a parrying dagger in his other.
I agree with most of this.. however he uses the shoto for a reason... so there must be an advantage to it.. Im guessing a better defence.. so again where is Obi1 going to get a sufficient enough attack from to take Bulq out??? considering the ROTS novel states that Soresu was the only form Kenobi was even Truly Proficient in..
also Bulq was a master of the lightsbaber and most lightsaber forms, so can obviously fight just fine with one saber as well... so if you really think his shoto really holds him back that much, then he can always just put it down!
Originally posted by skywalker833
When did Mace beat him?
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they were equal in the saber fight, but Mace seemed to have got the upper hand on him with a force push. however since mace didnt stick around, we'll never know for sure. also Bulq got a Force push on Mace earlier on in the fight.. so it was definetely a decent fight.
Bulq is a master of every form of lightsaber combat, both "classic and experimental," and one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Jedi Order has even known according to the databank. He was only ever outfought on-panel by Count Dooku and Mace Windu, both of whom dispatched him with the Force. If Obi-Wan wins, it won't be easily at all, and those of you suggesting that he'd sweep are either misinformed or biased.
That said, I'd like to randomly point out that Obi-Wan is a beast with the Force. He stalemated Darth Vader in a Force-push contest and actually ripped A'Sharad Hett's arm off. The badassery is staggering.
and he sent GG flying with the force, resulting in him being disarmed of his remaining 2 lightsabers..
and in the new animation he sends Destroyer Droids flying(even with their force fields up!!) with his force pushes, and he does this while dodging the fire of a small army of droids!!
so if people are arguing Obiwan wins with the force, I will not argue back.. similarly if people say Obi1 wins by using his surroundings to tactically outsmart him, (being the most cunning jedi on the council according to the ROTS novel) then again I will not argue back..
but to say Obi1 wins the saber fight??? i need proof.. how will he get past the defences of someone who has mastered every lightsaber form considering theres is nothing to suggest Obi1 is any good at any form apart from Soresu(purely defensive).
that explains how Obi1 will fight him to a stand off .. it doesnt explain how Obi1 will actually defeat him in the saber fight..
remember true masters of soresu are said to have an impenetrable defence... however its weakness is that it has no attack, so even true masters of soresu may not be able to overcome their opponents.
and this is no ordinary opponent in the saber department.. its an opponent whose mastered every lightsaber form, which incidentally will include soresu. so Obi1 will need a hell of an attack to pass Bulqs defences as well.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Obi-Wan takes this. Sora will not get through Kenobi's defenses. In Fact Grievous> Bulq
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
considering that Grievous was the Supreme Commander and second only to Dooku.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Kenobi will tire Bulq out, then KO him. In all three Kenobi is superior
You reached the right conclusion with the wrong evidence. I'd say that Kenobi's defeat of Grievous (20 strikes/second) is much more important to the discussion than Grievous's title.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
. I'd say that Kenobi's defeat of Grievous (20 strikes/second) is much more important to the discussion than Grievous's title.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
That being said, Obi-Wan has mastered Soresu to a degree that no one else in all of Jedi history has ever done, that is superior to Sora's feat making it doubly irrelevet.
I don't think there's a quote anywhere that says anything even close to that. If you're referencing the ROTS novel, Mace tells him something like, he's the master of Soresu. Kinda vague, no? Not like Mace has intimate knowledge of every Soresu user in history, anyway.
Originally posted by Faunus
Bulq is a master of every form of lightsaber combat, both "classic and experimental," and one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Jedi Order has even known according to the databank. He was only ever outfought on-panel by Count Dooku and Mace Windu, both of whom dispatched him with the Force. If Obi-Wan wins, it won't be easily at all, and those of you suggesting that he'd sweep are either misinformed or biased.
I was going to mention Bulq's mastery of every lightsaber form, but ya beat me to it. I'd point out that both Dooku and Mace seemed to have him on the ropes with a saber, though, before beating him with the Force.
"Bulq was best known among the Jedi for his skill with the lightsaber; he was known to have achieved mastery of all the lightsaber combat forms and was considered among the Order's greatest swordsmen.[1] Bulq was one of the few Jedi to use Vaapad, which Windu created and he helped refine, though Windu later took the position that Bulq had not mastered Vaapad but instead been mastered by it.[1][2][13] Vaapad was Bulq's preferred form, though he added to it the use of a shoto."
Skywalker83: None of that backs up what you said about Bulq being Mace's equal, anyway. 😛 Windu says that Vaapad mastered Bulq only because he fell to the Dark Side after losing to Count Dooku - not because Mace beat him.