Thanos with The IG vs. the Classic Molecule Man

Reece wins

Originally posted by Enyalus

You're using Retconned MM,

who was retconned at the same time Beyonder was.

All feats from that era are valid in this battle.

He's gotta be joking, or high, otherwise , it's worse than I ever imagined.

======================================

Molecule Man was more powerful than the LT ... On Panel:

======================================

Here's Reed Richards' data-entry on the Molecule Man:

"Reputed to be the most powerful being in this Multiverse,
at one time could control all matter, space and energy"

.........................................................................

Here's Uatu stating the same thing:

"And now that he IS and KNOWS he IS mightier than all other beings of the Multiverse"

.........................................................................

.........................................................................

*** In Handbooks too! ***

.........................................................................

Molecule Man was more powerful than the LT ...
in the official Marvel Handbook of 1985:

"Molecule Man, according to Uatu, is the most powerful being in ..."

... "Earth's Multiverse"

.........................................................................

In fact,

the Official Marvel Handbook clearly states:

"The ONLY known limit,
to the amount of matter & energy that the Molecule Man can control,
is that is somewhere beneath the level that the Beyonder could control"

.........................................................................

So literally according to Marvel,

ONLY the Beyonder was above the Molecule Man.

...You seriously have the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe from 1985?

You're my hero.

Hi guys, I'd like to completely disregard all the evidence shown and make up my own version of everything to ensure I am always right, even if it is only in my mind.

Originally posted by Enyalus
You're using Retconned MM, who was retconned at the same time Beyonder was. All feats from that era are valid in this battle.

Boxer A can beat all other boxers today.

Ten years ago, there were two other boxers who were better. Boxer B and C

So just by That, one could assume that Boxer B and C would be better than everyone else today.

But let's say Boxer A's record back then was only 10-0. And today his record is 1000-0.

There would be no way to compare boxer B and C to boxer A off his stats. You'd have to compare them to thier stats. Now let's say thier stats at the time were 150-0 and 750-0. Yes they were the best by far in the day. But couldn't be compared to boxer A's accomplishments today.

It's called retro-comparison. And it's quite clear that you cannot compare the abilities or position or feats of someone based upon past encounters with current abilities. That would be like saying DOS doomsday could kill Wonder Woman. Just becuz he killed Superman in the past. And Superman was the most powerful hero. That doesn't work. Superman is still the number one hero. But Wonder Woman has feats that outstrip Superman of that era. Thus DOS doomsday could not defeat her. Same logic applies when using the LT and the Preretconned cockstroked non-existant MM and Beyonder.

Originally posted by fangirl101

But the problem is, you compare them to the Guys like LT,
who at the time was not number two.
Was not considered as powerful as he is today.

Let me try to make this plain.

This eloquence was directed at you, and it fits so well!

Originally posted by klintypooh

Hi guys,

I'd like to completely disregard all the evidence shown
and make up my own version of everything to ensure I am always right,
even if it is only in my mind.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Boxer A can beat all other boxers today.

Ten years ago, there were two other boxers who were better. Boxer B and C

So just by That, one could assume that Boxer B and C would be better than everyone else today.

But let's say Boxer A's record back then was only 10-0. And today his record is 1000-0.

There would be no way to compare boxer B and C to boxer A off his stats. You'd have to compare them to thier stats. Now let's say thier stats at the time were 150-0 and 750-0. Yes they were the best by far in the day. But couldn't be compared to boxer A's accomplishments today.

It's called retro-comparison. And it's quite clear that you cannot compare the abilities or position or feats of someone based upon past encounters with current abilities. That would be like saying DOS doomsday could kill Wonder Woman. Just becuz he killed Superman in the past. And Superman was the most powerful hero. That doesn't work. Superman is still the number one hero. But Wonder Woman has feats that outstrip Superman of that era. Thus DOS doomsday could not defeat her.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Same logic applies when using the LT
and the Preretconned cockstroked non-existant MM and Beyonder.

Before Beyonder showed up, LT was top dog under TOAA. After Beyonder was retconned, LT was top dog under TOAA.

LT has always had the same power and position as the judge of the MU. His powers have never diminished or been retconned. That MM was more powerful than the LT speaks volumes about MM.

It isn't a low point for LT. The LT was shown to be well above the IG. And MM was well above the LT. That's it.

And for the record, when there is a point to be made, that people can't counter, they will try and insult. It's Ok. Someone else already made the same point in this thread. It's called LOGIC.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Before Beyonder showed up, LT was top dog under TOAA. After Beyonder was retconned, LT was top dog under TOAA.

LT has always had the same power and position as the judge of the MU. His powers have never diminished or been retconned. That MM was more powerful than the LT speaks volumes about MM.

It isn't a low point for LT. The LT was shown to be well above the IG. And MM was well above the LT. That's it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. Wrong. If TOAA existed when the Beyonder Showed up, Then The Beyonder wouldn't have been the most powerful being in reality. The LT also was not omniversal. There was no omniverse. So um, Exactly how is he as powerful then as now? That is retarded. Really. Retarded. The LT was shaking. WTF. Retarded.

1) The Beyonder was from a Supreme Being from a universe outside of the MU, so what you're saying is pure speculation.

2) The difference between a multiverse and an omniverse is...?

Originally posted by fangirl101

And for the record, when there is a point to be made,
that people can't counter,
they will try and insult. It's Ok.

Yea, you're making a point about Marvel On Panel/Handbook confirmed facts,
by using an irrelevant analogy
involving "Boxers" ... "Superman" ... "Wonder Woman & Doomsday."

ka-dur

Originally posted by fangirl101

Someone else already made the same point in this thread. It's called LOGIC.

"someone else?" ... nice try ... but ... 'the eyes of god' comes in many forms.

Originally posted by Enyalus
1) The Beyonder was from a Supreme Being from a universe outside of the MU, so what you're saying is pure speculation.

2) The difference between a multiverse and an omniverse is...?

The Supreme being of the Marvel U just let another Supreme being waltz in and take over his shit? Not. There either was no TOAA back then, thus weakening the LT alot, Since that is where he gets his powers, Or The preretconned beyonder was bullshit.

Originally posted by fangirl101

And Omniverse is a collection of Megaverses and Multiverses.

Truth:

An Omniverse is every possible Universe in any given company:

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2007 - Glossary)

Btw. On Panel evidence agrees 100% with this bio:

"Reality ... Brian came to realize the size and breadth of Reality,
he learned of the Omniverse and its unending alternatives,
Alternative Realities ...
the Omniverse is the collection of All those possibilities"

.......................................................................

So ALL the Universes of the Marvelverse in 1985, was the Omniverse then. 🙂

The Beyond realm was completely separate/disconnected from this Omniverse.
It was a self contained beyond, beyond, beyond infinite Reality.

Originally posted by fangirl101

The Supreme being of the Marvel U just let another Supreme being waltz in and take over his shit? Not. There either was no TOAA back then, thus weakening the LT alot, Since that is where he gets his powers, Or The preretconned beyonder was bullshit.

Dude, if you can't just accept facts,
why do you debate?

Reading your own fantasized philosophy really does it for you?

fangirl, PLEASE pick up what's left of your dignity and stop the foolishness. Mr. M has made it painfully clear that MM is > than the IG.

Capitulate and move on.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
fangirl, PLEASE pick up what's left of your dignity and stop the foolishness. Mr. M has made it painfully clear that MM is > than the IG.

Capitulate and move on.

I already gave a perfect example of retro-Comparing.

And it failed.

If you can't be convinced don't post here. You officially hit the point where you're running around in circles.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
And it failed.

If you can't be convinced don't post here. You officially hit the point where you're running around in circles.

Good stuff guys going with MM on this one.