Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Nemesis is a chick if memory serves.How can MM be more powerful than Nemesis? Easy, because he is. Even POST-retcon MM is beastly. LT stated his power is without limit.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Celestials created humanity. *sigh* And Thanos created the IG.Please stop.
So your entire basing on this debate is that,"He can't grow more powerful than his maker?"
Funny. I seem to recall The Fury being created by MJJ. And Fury killed MJJ. Now, Fury was not necessarily more powerful than MJJ, but he had what it took to kill him 1 on 1.
So your entire reasoning is flawed.
Beyonder to this day has the best feat in Marvel, the creation of the Beyond Realm, that and several statements alluding and outright stating Beyonder as a supreme being solidify him as the most powerful character to appear in Marvel.
Now, MM was the only one who could even come to any quantifiable distance to rivaling his limited powerset, when the LT was helpless in the face of Beyonder.
Now if you think that Living Tribunal was retconned, please provide a scan or bio to confirm this.
Beyonder, Molecule Man, and a few key elements of the story were teconned, nothing more.
So yeah, MM ftw.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Thanos is not the creator of the gems. And the celestials are products of eternity. who is a product of nemesis. Thus Humanity will never be more powerful than the IG. Which means neither would Owen reece. The fallicy is exposed and thus revealed as stroking of characters that do not even exist.
The LT is more powerful than the IG.
Owen Reece was more powerful than the LT.
Thus, MM >> IG. And Nemesis.
Case closed. Stop ignoring on panel evidence and making things up.
Originally posted by fangirl101Who ever created the Jems is a supreme being.
So how can MM be more powerful than his creator?
the one who made his universe?
What you're missing is, that the IG is not the full power of the original IB.
The Infinity being used his Supreme power for two things:
To create all of current Marvel the first time around,
and to create the Infinity Gems.
The Infinity Gems need to be united completely in order to reach the IB's original level,
that's NOT 6 Gems (IG)
that's actually SEVEN Gems (Nemesis)
Unfortunately, by the time Nemesis was formed,
the Gems had become sentient,
so they were started struggling for control against Nemesis.
This made Nemesis extremely vulnerable,
and this is the reason Nemesis was defeated.
Still, even under this extreme vulnerability,
Nemesis was able to completely obliterate the 616 Reality (core of everything)
and the Ultraverse.
Nice.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Cool. I don't care. MM beats Thanos w/IG.
Originally posted by fangirl101
By Feats, The Ig is superior. The only thing that Classic MM has is his brief stalemate with the retconned beyonder. Neither were as powerful as portrayed. thus the only feat he has is against a retconned being. Barring that feat, he has no other comparible feats.
A brief stalemate against a being who was so powerful he created his own universe that was trillions of times larger than the entire MU...while holding himself back.
The IG can't touch that.
Originally posted by Enyalus
A brief stalemate against a being who was so powerful he created his own universe that was trillions of times larger than the entire MU...while holding himself back.The IG can't touch that.
Originally posted by fangirl101The Retconned beyonder has no such feat.
So we must go by what other things classic MM did.
Since the beyonder never actually did such things.
I mean seriously, are you high? (I'm being sincere)
This is so twisted I can hardly believe what I'm reading.
So, we should look at what classic MM did,
but we should dismiss/exclude Beyonder's feats/existence
although Beyonder was literally from the SAME CLASSIC era?
dur
Originally posted by fangirl101
The Retconned beyonder has no such feat. So we must go by what other things classic MM did. Since the beyonder never actually did such things.
You're using Retconned MM, who was retconned at the same time Beyonder was. All feats from that era are valid in this battle.