Originally posted by fangirl101
It was perfect. There was no TOAA during secret wars. Couldn't have been. Thus the LT wasn't empowered by him. you fail. Wipe your chin.
You've still got him nearly stalemating a different Supreme Being, who had created a universe which dwarfed the MU a million times over, easily.
Originally posted by fangirl101
It was perfect. There was no TOAA during secret wars. Couldn't have been. Thus the LT wasn't empowered by him. you fail. Wipe your chin.
It failed. Like all your posts.
You change gears quickly. First the LT was 4th most powerful and now TOAA never exsisted? Stay consistent punkin.
Originally posted by fangirl101
A different Supreme being? That was about as smart as a poodle.
Yeah. You know. That Beyonder guy? Kinda corky? "Millions of times more powerful" than anyone else besides MM? Holding himself back?
That one. Who was a Supreme Being of a realm outside of the MU. And Reece practically stalemated him.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah. You know. That Beyonder guy? Kinda corky? "Millions of times more powerful" than anyone else besides MM? Holding himself back?That one. Who was a Supreme Being of a realm outside of the MU. And Reece practically stalemated him.
I could have this stuff wrong.... but you'll have to excuse me as I don't know this stuff like you guys.
To me: Infinity Gauntlet = The Infinity Being = The marvel Universe circa 1985. LT is below the IB.
Beyonder held Millions or whatever more energy than the entire marvel universe... which is like Beyonder is equal to millions of MUs which makes him millions of IBs which makes him millions of IGs.
And if I remember secret wars, even the Mbodies including LT, asked Reece to help them vs. Beyonder, which makes Reece second only to Beyonder.. and also at least more than IB/IG but less than Beyonder. To me, the IB was the equivalent to TOAA back then...
ABC I don't care. because guess what. In the end this is how the fight goes... Pre-Retcon. vs. Thanos.
Thanos having mastery of the IG alters time so that Reece reverts back in time to the Reece that existed before he got his powers... therefore its Thanos vs a Reece with no powers. And Reece would no longer be uber god.
Far as I know reece, never really displayed true usage of powers over time, unlike thanos and other wielders of the IG.
In a fight like this, thanos's cunning pulls him far and away.
Owen Reece FTW, in a horrific curbstomp.
Rot, you cool, I loves ya good friend,
but, what the heck is the IG's time powers going to do
against a being that was more powerful than the LT?
... absolutely nothing!
Owen had complete mastery of Time/Space and Matter,
only to a much greater degree than the IG ever dreamed.
Originally posted by fangirl101Reece did no such thing.
reece almost got wiped out.
Reece, actually for a second almost had a chance at stalemating Beyonder:
"I don't believe it, that little geek is holding his own against the Beyonder"
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Beyonder himself noticed:
"You (Owen) had a chance and it's UNBELIEVABLE that you did"
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Now yes, Owen was about to get obliterated,
but still,
for Owen to even have the slightest of chances to stalemate a Supreme being,
even if it was only for a moment,
speaks volumes coming from the lungs of giants.
Originally posted by fangirl101And by that point, beyonder had depowered himself.
Beyonder had finally augmented himself back to full power by the end of issue #9:
Beyonder had placed all of his power in a containment unit he created,
he actually became a mortal human being,
then he freaked out from the experience of being human,
and quickly took his power back.
A few pages later, Beyonder & Owen battled.
Originally posted by fangirl101And being millions of times more powerful than the MU doesn't make one a supreme being.
Being Infinitely more powerful than the MU would tho.
The Marvelverse was INFINITE!!!! (in 1985) ... INFINITE!!!
So the Beyonder was Millions of times more powerful than an infinity of power.
Please read a comic book for once!
Originally posted by fangirl101And where was TOAA.
TOAA has always been around, it just wasn't an official title then,
but since we know
TOAA is a character that draws/writes everything that takes place on panel,
then obviously we KNOW that TOAA was Jim Shooter. (Al Milgrom was the artist)
Jim Shooter: (Writer/Creator of Beyonder & Secret Wars I-II) also Editor-in-Chief of Marvel)
Jim was not only the writer/creator,
but he had the most powerful position in Marvel concerning what's allowed on panel or not.
let me ask you this… In the feats you listed for the LT pre 86 one of them was separating the universe to isolate korvac to his own universe. However, what you failed to mention was before that happened it's on panel that the LT basically said I'm going to try my most powerful move… which was a supernova explosion or something along those lines correct? You laughed at what I said but you know this to be the move he claimed was his last shot at killing Korvac. Which failed so he then had to cut the universes in half since his best move couldn't kill him. So, my statement was correct was it not? To me that is a perfect example of exactly how weak the LT was written back then and he isn't written near on the scale he his today. I've heard you argue this very point that he is written more powerful now and with much better multi-universal feats and now your saying this isn't true he was written the same?
This has nothing to do with rectonning a character. So, it's your statement that certain characters aren't written differently overtime.. sometimes being portrayed more powerful and other times less powerful? This doesn't have to be in a handbook now does it for this to occur?
Now the MM re-created everything the beyonder laid waste to in a very quick fashion. Knowing the LT power set doesn't that sound like now days he very well capable of doing… undestroying planets and bringing people back to their original state before the destruction. It seems he did just that when Warlock had the iG and laid waste the the hierarchy doesn't it? It seems since then with the wave of his hand his done very similar if not more powerful things right?
If you can please show me a handbook or bio of it saying that the MM depicted human evolution to the point where he was 2nd in the marvel universe only to the TOAA.
In a general sense if there is such a handbook.. in a general sense wouldn't it be the TOAA who gave MM or humans in general that ability. Wouldn't it also be safe to assume that he let the MM have such ability. So, what I'm saying is.. it's PIS for the sake of a good story for a to bring a new Character in to save the day. I say this because imo being that the LT was second in command he could've very easily been given the TOAA backing to fight the beyonder. My problem is that they made the LT look very weak and pathetic for the sake of a good story. I saw the MM do nothing that the LT couldn't or hasn't done before since those days correct?
Point being imo whether the MM wins this battle or not against the IG… I look at that MM and the LT in that story as being full of PIS and CIS to bring a new character to the for front for a good story. Granted it made the MM look stronger then the LT no doubt. However, when you take into consideration how the LT was written back then… and then fact that the MM was rectonned anyways because the editors at Marvel new it was PIS and CIS to have the MM do things that the LT should've been able to do. I think when you take all that into consideration you have to look at that story with open eyes and take all things into account. As far as this battle goes I say MM wins.
Originally posted by Mr Mastergiggle00
Now yes, Owen was about to get obliterated,
but still,
for Owen to even have the slightest of chances to stalemate a Supreme being,
even if it was only for a moment,
speaks volumes coming from the lungs of giants.
Originally posted by Philosophía👆
Was he vastly more powerfull than anyone there ? Sure. Was he unsurpassable ? Of course not.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm still laughing at the thought of Beyonder being a 'supreme being' in the true sense of the word (unsurpassable).Was he vastly more powerfull than anyone there ? Sure. Was he unsurpassable ? Of course not.
What makes you think that? Was he surpassed? Is there anyone in Marvel who has ever come close?
Let me remind you that Beyonder was still holding himself back when MM nearly stalemated him.
