Originally posted by cloud102Thor grew up fighting in war against Demon/giants/trolls....
A lot of people always underestimates Orion. He's just as versatile as Thor and have done similar things. The thing that separates Orion from Thor, is that Orion is more skilled in the art of war than Thor."Knowing arts of war fare from across the Universe". And has used his super-speed in battle more as well.
I'd give this to Team DC, but it's close.
Originally posted by Newjak
Thor is in fact more versatile then Orion, probably just as strong or close enough. But where Orion has good energy feats the real thing that separates him from Thor is the fact that Thor has much better control of energy, and can contain and manipulate large amounts of it.
Really? Orion has contained and matched universe destroying energies, has reformed his astro harness out of nothing, created the Astro Gauntlets when he didn't have his harness, and CREATED the Genesis Box that restarted the universe from Darkseid's taint in Rock of Ages. Something Thor isn't capable of doing.
Plus he can transmute objects and has instant healing from the Mother Box. As shown when he was inside a weapon of the Old gods (I think the Old gods) and constantly rejuvenated his body from the energy.
Originally posted by cloud102First off half your stuff isn't versatility but more about power, in which Thor has contained a blast that would have destroyed 1/5th the Universe.
Really? Orion has contained and matched universe destroying energies, has reformed his astro harness out of nothing, created the Astro Gauntlets when he didn't have his harness, and CREATED the Genesis Box that restarted the universe from Darkseid's taint in Rock of Ages. Something Thor isn't capable of doing.Plus he can transmute objects and has instant healing from the Mother Box. As shown when he was inside a weapon of the Old gods (I think the Old gods) and constantly rejuvenated his body from the energy.
But just for fun. Thor can also transmute stuff, suck the souls from people, create space warps, become invisible, and make Earth do as he commands. Create illusions, etc, etc
Originally posted by Newjak
First off half your stuff isn't versatility but more about power, in which Thor has contained a blast that would have destroyed 1/5th the Universe.But just for fun. Thor can also transmute stuff, suck the souls from people, create space warps, become invisible, and make Earth do as he commands. Create illusions, etc, etc
Originally posted by Newjak
First off half your stuff isn't versatility but more about power, in which Thor has contained a blast that would have destroyed 1/5th the Universe.But just for fun. Thor can also transmute stuff, suck the souls from people, create space warps, become invisible, and make Earth do as he commands. Create illusions, etc, etc
Ok, Some more stuff to add to Orion's versatility:
Mother Box can track beings from across the universe.
Make Orion Intangible
Make him INVISIBLE
Manipulate magnetic forces
Cross between time
Open portals to other dimensions
Heal him
Contain spirits
Seal portals off so other opponent can't escape
Mother Box also gives advice on how to defeat opponents.
Warns him of any danger in the area.
Orion has also created illusions. Like when he made himself bigger than a celestial to fool Apokolips.
Another nice thing to note is when Walt Simonson asked who would win; Thor Or Orion? Walt stated that Orion would come out on top more often than not.
This was of course when he was writing the Orion series. 🙂
Originally posted by fangirl101You'd be surprised what Thor can do when you dig deep enough or shallow enough. 😛
You'd be surprised at what orion can do when you dig deep enough. I have every single new god appearance now. I'll post his outlandish ish later today.
I used to have almost everyone of his appearances, sadly though that was on a different computer 🙁
Originally posted by Newjak
You'd be surprised what Thor can do when you dig deep enough or shallow enough. 😛I used to have almost everyone of his appearances, sadly though that was on a different computer 🙁
Originally posted by fangirl101It would be a pretty good fight, but Thor is a whole more versatile, and just as strong.
The point is, Orion is nearly as versatile. But packs higher stats, faster healing, and more over all Firepower. They even out pretty well.
I would also put Thor as having more Firepower.
Originally posted by Newjak
It would be a pretty good fight, but Thor is a whole more versatile, and just as strong.I would also put Thor as having more Firepower.
Thor is not.
Orion is also faster. And can heal if Thor manages to hurt him. I'd say that gives him equal footing to Thor's versatility.
Originally posted by fangirl101I think Thor is more than comparable considering some of his strength feats.
Orion is just as Strong as Superman.Thor is not.
Orion is also faster. And can heal if Thor manages to hurt him. I'd say that gives him equal footing to Thor's versatility.
He may not be as strong I'll admit, but I think it is close to or equal.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Orion has deflected the OE with a shield of AF
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/orionastroforce1.jpgSubatomic Disintegration
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/oriondisintegration.jpgMagnetism on a large scale
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Orion09p15.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Orion09p16.jpgCleans the Celestial City of Death
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods01-14.jpgMB heals Orion of greivious injuries nearly instantaneously.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/3d1a3edf.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/10f93fce.jpgAtro Force create's force fields.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-17-10.jpgOrion's MB also deconstructed the entire universe and remade it without DS's evil and started it over. I can't find scan right now.
Originally posted by cloud102
Ok, Some more stuff to add to Orion's versatility:Mother Box can track beings from across the universe.
Make Orion Intangible
Make him INVISIBLE
Manipulate magnetic forces
Cross between time
Open portals to other dimensions
Heal him
Contain spirits
Seal portals off so other opponent can't escape
Mother Box also gives advice on how to defeat opponents.
Warns him of any danger in the area.
Orion has also created illusions. Like when he made himself bigger than a celestial to fool Apokolips.Another nice thing to note is when Walt Simonson asked who would win; Thor Or Orion? Walt stated that Orion would come out on top more often than not.
This was of course when he was writing the Orion series. 🙂
Originally posted by darthgoober
Impressive... but not quite on Thor's level in the versatility department(but definitely enough to take him out of the "brick" category).Are those all things that Orion has done with a Motherbox, or just things that various MB users have accomplished?
Are those all things that Orion has done with a Motherbox, or just things that various MB users have accomplished?
Both. A lot of those things were in Simonson's run on orion. Orion is just as versatile as Thor. There is no proof that Thor is more versatile. Thor MAY have done more things with his hammer, but that's simply because he has more issues with him. But it's not by a huge majority.
One thing I forgot to add is Orion has...
Manipulated the weather.
Also, another thing that he's done WITHOUT the mother box is create force fields with the Astro Force to block Darkseid's Omega Beams. Again, Simonson's Orion run.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Thor has contained a blast that was going to destroy a fifth of the 616 Universe as well as casually absorbing blasts from Odin using gungir.
A fifth? Orion defeated someone who was going to destroy the whole universe with their energies. Not just one fifth. It's ONLY ONE showing, but it shows Orion has SERIES energy outage and control of the Astro Force, which is complete destructive energy.
Originally posted by fangirl101
nah. Orion with MB is impressive. During the New God's second run, Where Orion doesn't wear the Astro Harness, he accomplishes a lot more with the AF and MB. Much more versatile. Interesting tid bit of information. The New Gods of the 4th are said to die and replay over and over. Each time manifesting differently but the same. Hence the alternate reality new gods like in JLA another nail. When we know there is only ONE set of new Gods. I'll find the scan.
Originally posted by cloud102
Both. A lot of those things were in Simonson's run on orion. Orion is just as versatile as Thor. There is no proof that Thor is more versatile. Thor MAY have done more things with his hammer, but that's simply because he has more issues with him. But it's not by a huge majority.One thing I forgot to add is Orion has...
Manipulated the weather.
Also, another thing that he's done WITHOUT the mother box is create force fields with the Astro Force to block Darkseid's Omega Beams. Again, Simonson's Orion run.
What things has Thor done that Orion hasn't? I have read a lot of Thor (though, wouldn't say an expert), and he basically does the same thing. Thor blasts. I see him do other things occasionally, but everything I have seen Thor do, Orion has done so as well.
Hell, even in one of Orion's early run's, Himon has once stated that the MB's can do pretty much anything the user wants. As long as they keep good relationship with them.
Originally posted by cloud102
A fifth? Orion defeated someone who was going to destroy the whole universe with their energies. Not just one fifth. It's ONLY ONE showing, but it shows Orion has SERIES energy outage and control of the Astro Force, which is complete destructive energy.
Well did orion contain the energy itself or defeat the guy who was using the energy? Cuz battles always have circumstances and context to them and so trying to use them as evidence without giving the actual details of the fight wud be poor ABC logic.
As for versatility, Ill just name some things thor has done which u havent mentioned orion being able to do
Thor has turned people invisible
Thor has produced antimatter
THor has shown the ability to negate gravity
Thor has transmuted absorbing man to gas
Thor has shrunk hyperion to antsize
Thor has absorbed life force etc..
As for top tiers in marvel thor is second only to Ss versatility wise.
