DC vs. Marvel Power houses Part II

Originally posted by ultimatethor
ABC logic, comes in when u talked about orion defeating demons in his own realm. It is meaningless in this instance and it has no bearings on this match. Trying to use it as proof of anything in relation to thor is ABC logic. And really i dont understand u. When i take u up on ur claims that orion is as versatile as thor u back out and say u never intended that and yet u keep mentioning feats of orion trying to show his versatility. Where do u stand on the issue? If u bleieve his as versatile then say it so that we can go over this whole thing again.

Originally posted by cloud102
I admited he never turned someone into gas, but has Thor transmuted something into flours? See it balances out. And Fangirl hasn't posted every Orion appearance. He's only covered like half.

Fangirl was being repetitive and simply posting feats even though those feats involved the use of the same powers just in different instances but then admitted that she was not trying to prove the versatility arguement but show orions expertise in those areas.. ITs not about whether thor has transmuted things into flowers, the arguement is about versatility and hence is about whether thor has the ability of inorganic transmutation( which he does). Simply listing instances where orion makes use of this power( one that thor has) and saying that he has done done this and this and this (and listing a near infinite number of instances) does prove he is as versatile than thor. I need not go over this again.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Fangirl was being repetitive and simply posting feats even though those feats involved the use of the same powers just in different instances but then admitted that she was not trying to prove the versatility arguement but show orions expertise in those areas.. ITs not about whether thor has transmuted things into flowers, the arguement is about versatility and hence is about whether thor has the ability of inorganic transmutation( which he does). Simply listing instances where orion makes use of this power( one that thor has) and saying that he has done done this and this and this (and listing a near infinite number of instances) does prove he is as versatile than thor. I need not go over this again.

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. I stated that If I looked enough I could find at least 20 feats. But let's be real about it. Mother Box in Orion's hand can matter manip.That's already nearly as versatile as you can get. It can create things out of nothing or change organic or inorganic matter. And it can give him the abilities and skills of anyone he transforms into. Orion can phase with it. Use Telepathy. Implant illusions. Etc.

Wait wait. Are u now saying that u never denied that ur arguement was to prove that orion was as versatile as thor? I really hope not because ur statements are there for all to see AND QUOTE.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Fangirl was being repetitive and simply posting feats even though those feats involved the use of the same powers just in different instances but then admitted that she was not trying to prove the versatility arguement but show orions expertise in those areas.. ITs not about whether thor has transmuted things into flowers, the arguement is about versatility and hence is about whether thor has the ability of inorganic transmutation( which he does). Simply listing instances where orion makes use of this power( one that thor has) and saying that he has done done this and this and this (and listing a near infinite number of instances) does prove he is as versatile than thor. I need not go over this again.

I still don't see how Thor is more versatile. You haven't really proved anything. Thor has used his hammer to do a shit load of things. I get that.

Orion has the Astro Force and Mother Box to do the same.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I'm having trouble finding Jack Kirby's Fourth world. And I haven't even gotten to His Guest appearances yet. From the looks of it, The Astro Force allows him to control the four forces of the universe. Strong, Weak, Gravity, And ElectroMagnetic. Plus the wierd ethereal like stuff he does.

I remember Orion also controlling various forms of energy throughout the EM spectrum, containing spirits/souls, manipulating gravity, sealing off dimensions to trap opponents, and rebuilding and cleansing entire cities of taint.

Originally posted by cloud102
I still don't see how Thor is more versatile. You haven't really proved anything. Thor has used his hammer to do a shit load of things. I get that.

Orion has the Astro Force and Mother Box to do the same.

Nope. The challenge was to do a power for power count with issue numbers and evrything. Even though fangirl didnt do that and just started mentioning feats, The list goober posted still far outnumbers anything posted on the orion side.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Nope. The challenge was to do a power for power count with issue numbers and evrything. Even though fangirl didnt do that and just started mentioning feats, The list goober posted still far outnumbers anything posted on the orion side.

Originally posted by fangirl101
many things thor does are variants of the same thing as well. Surfer could use matter manip and do an infinite number of things with that one ability.

No the thor feats were divided up into sections and categories indicating the different powers. Matter manipulation is a very broad category which can be subdivided into organic inorganic etc. A lot of powers can actually be grouped under the broad category of matter manip. The point was that u kept repeatedly mentioning Orion performing essentially the same feat, dissolve/restructure,forcefields/telepathy/scanningetc.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
No the thor feats were divided up into sections and categories indicating the different powers. Matter manipulation is a very broad category which can be subdivided into organic inorganic etc. A lot of powers can actually be grouped under the broad category of matter manip. The point was that u kept repeatedly mentioning Orion performing essentially the same feat, dissolve/restructure,forcefields/telepathy/scanningetc.

Force Fields
Controlling The Omegas
Calling Lightning
Erasing Death
Absorbing energy
Absorbing and Amping the ALE
Telepathy
Scanning
Teleportation
Phasing
Matter Manip organic and inorganic
Creation of materials out of nothing
Abilities mimmicking
Sub Atomic Disintegration
Self Healing
Healing of Others
Polarity Restructuring
Changing Gravity Constants
Magnetism
Electron Tagging
Energy Transfer
Manipulate life Forces
Controlling Non Sentient Beings
Evolve Machines( Did this with Orion's AF harness)
Control's Emotions
manipulated Fire
Manipulated Air
Destroyed Atomic Bonds
Relocated Thousands of beings from one place to another
Flight Faster than Even Superman has to his credit

And this is just off top of my head. Adding in his Super Speed on the ground, Which he's used Several times now that I've done the research including a fight with DS, And Superman Level Strength, He's easily under rated which is my point. Not to Mention Orion can if he wishes, Us the AF to Amp his strength like Thanos does. Orion has Amped his strength to break an Omega Rod of Kalibak's that was forged to be unbreakable.

Originally posted by fangirl101
NO Orion has done with his AF and MB

Force Fields
Controlling The Omegas
Calling Lightning
Erasing Death
Absorbing energy
Absorbing and Amping the ALE
Telepathy
Scanning
Teleportation
Phasing
Matter Manip organic and inorganic
Creation of materials out of nothing
Abilities mimmicking
Sub Atomic Disintegration
Self Healing
Healing of Others
Polarity Restructuring
Changing Gravity Constants
Magnetism
Electron Tagging
Energy Transfer
Manipulate life Forces
Controlling Non Sentient Beings
Evolve Machines( Did this with Orion's AF harness)
Control's Emotions
manipulated Fire
Manipulated Air
Destroyed Atomic Bonds
Relocated Thousands of beings from one place to another
Flight Faster than Even Superman has to his credit

And this is just off top of my head. Adding in his Super Speed on the ground, Which he's used Several times now that I've done the research including a fight with DS, And Superman Level Strength, He's easily under rated which is my point. Not to Mention Orion can if he wishes, Us the AF to Amp his strength like Thanos does. Orion has Amped his strength to break an Omega Rod of Kalibak's that was forged to be unbreakable.

Frankly im tired of going round and round. I was referring to the feats u posted previously when we were going power for power with issue numbers and evrything not some of the ones u just added now which ( without issue numbers by the way) which still dont even match thors tally. I also find it funny that most of orions feats u mentioned are relatively unknown and not in his respect thread considering that he is a fairly popular character. But no reason to get into that because ive already admitted that both he and thor are evenly matched. Lets just end it there.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Frankly im tired of going round and round. I was referring to the feats u posted previously when we were going power for power with issue numbers and evrything not some of the ones u just added now which ( without issue numbers by the way) which still dont even match thors tally. I also find it funny that most of orions feats u mentioned are relatively unknown and not in his respect thread considering that he is a fairly popular character. But no reason to get into that because ive already admitted that both he and thor are evenly matched. Lets just end it there.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Nope. The challenge was to do a power for power count with issue numbers and evrything. Even though fangirl didnt do that and just started mentioning feats, The list goober posted still far outnumbers anything posted on the orion side.

Well, coming from an Orion fan, I'm going to say and STILL say Orion is just as versatile. I don't own that many comics anymore (sold them when I was living on my own, since I was poor), so I can't give you exact issue numbers. As for the list goober gave, Orion has done all of that, just different variations. He has controlled spirits, the elements, has manipulated different energies, tunrned invisible, intangible like Martian Manhunter, teleported across the universe and other dimensions, tracked beings from across the universe, created force fields, transmuted matter, etc...

Now, if you can give me examples of Thor doing something Orion hasn't then please give me an example.

Originally posted by cloud102
Well, coming from an Orion fan, I'm going to say and STILL say Orion is just as versatile. I don't own that many comics anymore (sold them when I was living on my own, since I was poor), so I can't give you exact issue numbers. As for the list goober gave, Orion has done all of that, just different variations. He has controlled spirits, the elements, has manipulated different energies, tunrned invisible, intangible like Martian Manhunter, teleported across the universe and other dimensions, tracked beings from across the universe, created force fields, transmuted matter, etc...

Now, if you can give me examples of Thor doing something Orion hasn't then please give me an example.

Thor pretty has done
Energy Manipulation of varying sorts.
Spacial Manipulation
Supernatural Manipulation
Matter Manipulation
Weather
Magnetism.
Etc.

The question should be looked at it from a Different perspective. What can each do that is OUT OF THE RANGE OF ABILITIES of the other.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Frankly im tired of going round and round. I was referring to the feats u posted previously when we were going power for power with issue numbers and evrything not some of the ones u just added now which ( without issue numbers by the way) which still dont even match thors tally. I also find it funny that most of orions feats u mentioned are relatively unknown and not in his respect thread considering that he is a fairly popular character. But no reason to get into that because ive already admitted that both he and thor are evenly matched. Lets just end it there.

Actually the original creator of the respect thread, ASTRO, stated he was hardly done with the respect thread. It was just an introductory of Orion. I've seen Orion do a lot more.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Alot of the stuff Thor did could be viewed as pretty much the same things with different names.

Thor pretty has done
Energy Manipulation of varying sorts.
Spacial Manipulation
Supernatural Manipulation
Matter Manipulation
Weather
Magnetism.
Etc.

The question should be looked at it from a Different perspective. What can each do that is OUT OF THE RANGE OF ABILITIES of the other.

As for Orion, you can also add he can learn any language on the spot and knows ALL forms of war fare from across the UNIVERSE.

Almost defeating Valkyrie, the GREATEST martial artist in the universe is an awesome feat of skill. And this was when Orion was WEAKENED.