Galen Marek vs Obi-Wan Kenobi

Are you really done, truejedi? Because you've committed about a dozen fallacies and misapplications of logic that I'm dying to embarrass you with. But if you're done, I'll reiterate with the simple conclusion.

You've misinterpretted a great deal of my responses, you seemingly have no understanding of what an advantage is, you willingly ignore the fact that Anakin was "between worlds" and emotionally and mentally unstable (thus removing his ability to defeat Kenobi), you willingly ignore the fact that Skywalker executed a sneak attack, you willingly ignore the fact that Ben hurling a vibroblade in Caedus's back also prevented Caedus from continuing the fight. And lastly, you do not understand that managing to withstand General Grievous's speed and ferocity and defeating an emotionally and mentally unstable Anakin isn't grounds for superiority over Marek.

Your entire argument -- the whole damn thing -- the entire thing -- is complete crap. The whole thing. It's entirety. 100% constitution. Every fiber of its being. It is a joke.

It should be used in colleges around the world to demonstrate how a single argument can consist of a million fallacies and misapplications of logic.

For the record, I said I wasn't taking this personal, not that I didn't give out personal attacks which, surprise, surprise, were all said in sarcasm, as is my general attitude.

But this? This was seriously a terrible argument. I hope you'll summon more patience and give more effort the next time.

@ Blaxican:

If he was white, he probably deserved it.

Wait...

Why is defeating GG not a basis for declaring Obi-Wan's superiority in lightsabers?

What has Galen ever done with just a lightsaber that would make him a match for GG, let alone Obi-Wan?

And the kid was Swedish.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Apparently not.

Publius still lives.

What you don't know is that he only allows Publius to continue with his life because that way Gideon will suffer even more under his grasp. Without him, Gideon would probably believe himself to be a god or some BS.

Or kill himself.

But you're right, either way the suffering ends.

oh gosh its hard to be done sometimes. But eventually i guess we have to let it go sometime.

If you are truly dying to embarass me, go right ahead, i've had worse things happen, and i live to serve.

it all boils down to the fact that Marek has never fought a single pure lightsaber battle, and in all honesty, that should give him a big fat N/A in any ranking sysem. However, for some reason, you are putting him automatically above a guy that, for sake of this argument, lets put him 25th. Which hopefully will be enough to satisfy EVERYONE. How do you put a N/A above a 25th?

EDIT: oh, and if you do use it in a college textbook some day, hook me up with some royalties.

LOL. 'That should give him a big N/A in any ranking system'?

You truly don't know what you're talking about, do you?

Sadly for you, there are *no* 'pure lightsaber battles' in SW, as all of them are considered 'all-out'.

By the use of your logic, there is no proof that Dooku is a better duelist than Kenobi, since he Force-pushed him out of the way, so it doesn't count.

are you kidding me? is THAT what this is all about? i NEVER said marek would lose to Kenobi in an all out. The person who started this thread had a specifice "sabers only" part of it. I believe that is what me and gideon have been arguing about. If we have been arguing about an all-out, then it has been the most ridiculous waste of time thus far in my life.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Wait...

Why is defeating GG not a basis for declaring Obi-Wan's superiority in lightsabers?

What has Galen ever done with just a lightsaber that would make him a match for GG, let alone Obi-Wan?

And the kid was Swedish.

If you want to take the novelization's depiction of the fight, Obi-Wan was in a state of unity with the Force when he confronted Grievous (twice). Moreover, on paper, the general is a far more capable combatant than Kenobi himself, being a master of all seven modes of combat and being equipped with internal computers capable of analyzing and mimicking any combat stance or habit. The reason that Windu sent Kenobi after Grievous was that Windu correctly identified that Soresu doesn't answer a particular weakness: it is a simple yet highly useful form. A high mastery of it would nullify virtually all of the general's ferocity.

Meanwhile, Marek has battled against simulations of Kenobi on multiple scenarios and has comfortably outdueled each one.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Or kill himself.

But you're right, either way the suffering ends.

Originally posted by truejedi
it has been the most ridiculous waste of time thus far in my life.

Haha, I know.

Originally posted by Gideon
being a master of all seven modes of combat

🥷

Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
Haha, I know.

we were discussing a saber contest Valerian. Just because you refuse to acknowledge that one could take place, it hardly means we weren't discussing one.

I don't refuse to acknowledge anything, truejedi, it is a fact. And the fact that people put 'saber duel only' on their thread titles is stupid.

Originally posted by Gideon

Meanwhile, Marek has battled against simulations of Kenobi on multiple scenarios and has comfortably outdueled each one.

it was a droid gideon. A DROID. Surely i'm not the only one who thinks you have strayed into the RIDICULOUS now. Are you saying that PROXY is ==to kenobi now?

Originally posted by Faunus
Prove it.

🥷

"Given the number of Jedi [Grievous] has faced, you must expect that he can attack in any style, or in all of them." -- Mace Windu, RotS, pg 294.

And the Magnaguards were programmed with all seven forms of combat and trained personally by Grievous.

A + B = C.

C = you being a complete failure for questioning me!

Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
I don't refuse to acknowledge anything, truejedi, it is a fact. And the fact that people put 'saber duel only' on their thread titles is stupid.

lol, it doesn't mean we weren't discussing it. I've made similar points to your own in the past, in fact, in every thread i've ever made, i've specifically made it all out only.

This thread had a saber-only category, and thats what we were discussing, stupid or not.

He's just saying PROXY = Kenobi's techniques, lightsaber form, and even his own tactics.

EDIT - I know, I just like to mess with your mind. 🥷

Originally posted by truejedi
it was a droid gideon.

So was Grievous.

A DROID.

Because CAPSLOCK has become one of your small coterie of friends, I will reiterate:

SO IS GRIEVOUS.

Surely i'm not the only one who thinks you have strayed into the RIDICULOUS now.

I dare not venture where you dwell. I'm sure if I visit, though, you could show me around.

Are you saying that PROXY is ==to kenobi now?

I am saying that Galen Marek dueled an elite dueling/training droid that specifically adopted Kenobi's style, mannerisms, and appearance. And Marek slaughtered him. He has familiarity with Kenobi's abilities. Not the case for Kenobi.

Edit: Thank you, Captain, for trying to lend a hand. But truejedi isn't feeling well and is keen on continuing his lame argument that he said he was done with.

You guys are obnoxious. Gideon, you still haven't proven conclusively that Grievous was a "master" of all seven forms (you can't), so you have failed. Go enjoy no more daylight savings time and keep in mind that you're only alive because of me. Everyone here knows it.

Originally posted by Gideon
If you want to take the novelization's depiction of the fight, Obi-Wan was in a state of unity with the Force when he confronted Grievous (twice).

You're kidding me. 😬

God, that is such bullshit.

Moreover, on paper, the general is a far more capable combatant than Kenobi himself, being a master of all seven modes of combat and being equipped with internal computers capable of analyzing and mimicking any combat stance or habit.

All useless compared to the powah ofthe force. 313

Meanwhile, Marek has battled against simulations of Kenobi on multiple scenarios and has comfortably outdueled each one.

And the ones that we saw he used the force... which wouldn't help much in a lightsaber only duel. There's still no reason to think that Galen has shown greater lightsaber than Kenobi has.