Sound Ninja 4(with Kimimaro) vs Akatsuki

Asuma is a jounin, there's no doubt about this 😐

He led a 3 man genin team, he led a team composed of 3 chuunin, his bounty in the bingo book is higher than pretty much everyone else in Konoha, and he was able to defeat 7 Chuunin+ characters easily. Wil7 might claim that "Asuma is badlol" but he won't find any proof to back this up with.

As far as Hidan goes, he was able to keep up with Kakashi before Shikamaru stopped him.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
That is because Ibiki and Ebisu's Jounin level skills are not combat skill, Ibiki's is torture, Ebisu is teaching(which is fairly lol).

...I don't know. 😐

Ebisu and Ibiki are Special Jounin, like Genma.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Ebisu and Ibiki are Special Jounin, like Genma.

And yung, both of them are not Jounin, they are "special" or Tokubetsu Jounin, Chunin who have Jounin level skills in one field.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. I notice how you didn't actually try to defeat my argument that Asuma is a skilled Jounin, which implies to me you could not, so I accept your concession. I brought up Kisame, because even he had some degree of trouble dodging Asuma's blows, as evidenced by the fact that Asuma got a hit on him, though afterwards Kisame was clearly the dominant combatant. Can Shika beat Gaara? No, Gaara would not play around and toy with his opponents, and is not an arrogant prick.

2. It isn't, he isn't that slow.

3. Yay.

4. Only cause I agreed to begin with, nub. 131

5. ...I don't care what the anime shows. 😐

6. I don't honestly, and it will not kill him, Kim's only chance is decapitation.

1. Well, he isn't that skilled of a jounin, because, well he has no feats, and he hasn't defeated anybody that is jounin level, and even though he beat those sound ninja's doesn't mean shit. Shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the other sound ninja. He had trouble dodging 1 tiny cut on Kisame's face. Yeah, Gaara would crush Shikamaru.

2. Hidan is pretty slow, he even said he was the slowest.

3. Yes, yay.

4. Nub, crybaby

5. Well I do, because I don't care what the manga states, because the anime is different.

6. Braken dance ends the fight, he has no way to avoid it.

Originally posted by Wil7
1. Well, he isn't that skilled of a jounin, because, well he has no feats, and he hasn't defeated anybody that is jounin level, and even though he beat those sound ninja's doesn't mean shit. Shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the other sound ninja. He had trouble dodging 1 tiny cut on Kisame's face. Yeah, Gaara would crush Shikamaru.

How come you're ignoring Asuma's enormous bounty?

And when we discussed Shikamaru's fight, you were 100% certain that he would've lost. Seems like hypocrisy is popular with the kids these days.

K seriously, itachi says "guys, this ones on me", he then pwns the sound 4 in true WTF? fashion. then the main coarse named kimimaro steps in after his 4 comrades were quickly killed before his eyes. the two have a stare down but unfortunately for kimmy, that's all itachi needs to win the fight.

meanwhile, zetsu records the fight to play back for the rest of the akatsuki for tons of future lulz.

Originally posted by Wil7
1. Well, he isn't that skilled of a jounin, because, well he has no feats, and he hasn't defeated anybody that is jounin level, and even though he beat those sound ninja's doesn't mean shit. Shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the other sound ninja. He had trouble dodging 1 tiny cut on Kisame's face. Yeah, Gaara would crush Shikamaru.

2. Hidan is pretty slow, he even said he was the slowest.

3. Yes, yay.

4. Nub, crybaby

5. Well I do, because I don't care what the manga states, because the anime is different.

6. Braken dance ends the fight, he has no way to avoid it.

2. Because of his huge weapon, no one else is hindered by that. Being slower in attack speed than guys in Akatsuki is not a bad feat at all.

3. Yeah. Hidan wins.

4. So's your face.

5. Difference here being the manga is canon, the anime is not. 🙂

6. Is Braken dance the drill or the small bone forest thing? And he would not NEED to avoid it, since he can't die.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I know, I already said that.

And yung, both of them are not Jounin, they are "special" or Tokubetsu Jounin, Chunin who have Jounin level skills in one field.

i dont remember the magna saying special kounin are chunin with jonin skills in one field. whynot call them special chunnin? it could also be they are jonin who specialize in one thing

Everyone in the group here can solo except for Deidera and maybe Sasori. They need about 10 seconds or more before they can solo.

Originally posted by yungz22
i dont remember the magna saying special kounin are chunin with jonin skills in one field. whynot call them special chunnin? it could also be they are jonin who specialize in one thing

Dark Jaxx is correct.

Originally posted by Wil7
1. Well, he isn't that skilled of a jounin, because, well he has no feats, and he hasn't defeated anybody that is jounin level, and even though he beat those sound ninja's doesn't mean shit. Shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the other sound ninja. He had trouble dodging 1 tiny cut on Kisame's face. Yeah, Gaara would crush Shikamaru.

-HE'S ONE OF THE TWELVE NINJA GUARDIANS OF A DAIMYO........ warlords don't tend to hire inept protectors.

-mastered the art of blade fighting and coupled it with his rare wind element nature, not many ninja have wind nature so he most likely was self taught.

asuma is a very accomplished ninja.

i am baffled by Wil7 logic.

His word is about as solid as a blind man giving facial descriptions to a robber with panty hose mask over his face.

Originally posted by Csdabest
i am baffled by Wil7 logic.

His word is about as solid as a blind man giving facial descriptions to a robber with panty hose mask over his face.

You make fun of my logic. Did you read what your comeback was? 😂 . To tell you the truth, your'e the guy who is trying to make the facial descriptions.

Originally posted by Wil7
Yeah, but Asuma doesn't seem like a jounin. He isn't even that good. Plus, Shikamaru beat Hidan, who is a chunin. YEAH< KIM IS BETTER THAN THER ENTIRE TEAM COMBINED!!!

Selling someone short in order for your "logic" to fly doesnt own you browny points.

Asuma looks and *is* a well rounded elite jounin, sensei of one of the most impressive of the rookie 9 and late member of the 12 guardians of the Lord of Fire. The only way he may look "not that good" is for not being showcased in the manga like another elite Jounin, as Kakashi, is.

Lets roundown the facts, without killing CONTEXT. Shika defeated Hidan with:

Asuma`s info. Backup. Knowing already everything he needed about Hidan`s jutsu. Learning more about Hidan`s religion and thus how to "kill" him. Hidan`s companion`s blood. And the home field advantage, especifically chosen for the match.

Everything that Asuma did NOT have, when facing Hidan the first time. So lets not compare a face off with a prep battle.

Asuma, is, for all porpuses better than Gai without the gates. The comparation between both when facing off Kisame was so clear, that more than that is impossible.

Originally posted by Wil7
1. Well, he isn't that skilled of a jounin, because, well he has no feats, and he hasn't defeated anybody that is jounin level, and even though he beat those sound ninja's doesn't mean shit.

Another who kills context. Oh, lord.

The same group of ninja whose outranked both Naruto, Sakura and Shika and had them wet theyr collective pants. The same group that had a jounin that ended up sleeping on Asuma`s shoulder. Yeah.

Originally posted by Wil7
He had trouble dodging 1 tiny cut on Kisame's face.

The hell?

He gave Kisame that cut. And he did it with the same kind of "ill show you" smile that Kisame had when he cut him earlier. Exactly the same, this is not draw by chance, it has a visual storytelling porpuse. But here is where things get interesting, Asuma held off Kisame longer and better than Gai did. And the contest of strength between the two only stopped when Kisame angrily used the sword to cut off his opponent`s arm.

Gai, on the other hand, in the same EXACT situation, gets winded down in one panel, and doesnt even bleed from the sword, but instead from a punch in the gut.

Pre skip Asuma > post skip Gateless Gai.

Moreover, Kisame did dodged Auma`s chuckles, as demostrated by the speed lines in the panel, but the Hien still cut him, and had it been as long as it was against Hidan, Kisame wouldnt have kept his head intact.

Originally posted by Wil7
2. Hidan is pretty slow, he even said he was the slowest.

He said he had the slowest attack speed (wich only makes sense, since it takes a ritual to perform his jutsu) of HIs group.

Dont compare the level of the Atsuki with the sound 4. And Asuma was matching him up pretty well, even when Hidan used 2 kunais`s and his own weapon to lure Asuma into getting that drop of blood.

way. too. go. ✅

Its also od that people call Asuma slow, when despite having a much lower number of figths than say, kakashi, he dodged Kisame`s sword strikes, the moment he became aware of what the sword could do, was keeping up with Hidan (blocking everything he trew at him, yes even his weapon - heres a fact, Hidan`s weapon is designed to make a single cut, even when its blocked, after all one of the spikes is longer than the other two - and beat up the same group of sound ninja that Kakashi and co did, but faster and with more style.

Im not going to call him as better than Kakashi or Gai, since he didnt showed everything the DB claims he can do (likewise for Gai and co, fr that matter) but to say hes not in the same overall class, is bull.

Originally posted by olympian
Pre skip Asuma > post skip Gateless Gai.

Just by reading that made me not want to read the rest of your bullshit.

Feed yourself on your own idiocity.

The creator went on its way to get Asuma and Gai, both in the exact same conditions against Kisame. None of them using chakra or jutsu`s, both defending a charging Kisame, and both using a weapon to block it.

So what happened?

Asuma held his own, only to be cut by Kisame`s sword, while the migthy Gai gets winded down in the initial charge and its left bleeding from a punch. Not the sword, a punch.

This also shows, how without the gates, Asuma handles pain better. He took the cut without crying it out like Gai did.

Gai is a beast with the gates, but he isent anything special or superior without them, compared to the other elite Jounin. And im looking forward for you to actually show me where im wrong, with these comparations *done by the creator*.

By using some filler maybe..

hidan was fighting asuma while evading shikamaru's shadow possession, shikamaru even stated that that gave asuma the advantage in the fight.
hidan isn't that slow considering he pretty much had asuma on the ropes the whole time, even with that big ass scythe.

olympian, Gai uses pure speed to beat him.

Originally posted by Wil7
olympian, Gai uses pure speed to beat him.

Thats an argument for what exactly?

Gai only looks above the other Jounin when he opens the gates, not without. I havent seen a single thing from base Gai, speedwise or not, that makes him superior.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
hidan was fighting asuma while evading shikamaru's shadow possession, shikamaru even stated that that gave asuma the advantage in the fight.

I dont really recall that line actually showing up in the manga. Wouldnt make much sense, since if someone is agile enough, and is aware of Shika`s jutsu, it can be evaded for a time. Note that i said "can", not that it automatically will.

Hidan also had backup, his partner attempted to attack Shika in the beginning after all, when he was blocked by Asuma.

All in all, however, i belive any Akatsuki member is superior to any Jounin, elite or not, one vs one. Gai also had help, and he only defeated a limited clone. On the other hand, i dont think they leave the elite in the dust in the speed or strength department.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
[Bhidan isn't that slow considering he pretty much had asuma on the ropes the whole time, even with that big ass scythe. [/B]

Theyr attacking speed looked about the same l. Lets not forget that Hidan only got the drop of blood, when he used three weapons, one after the other, for Asuma to block. Two kunais and one scythe that *was* blocked, but still managed to steal blood, because of the bigger spike.

Both are certainly not "slow" by any kind of standarts.