Sound Ninja 4(with Kimimaro) vs Akatsuki

Originally posted by olympian
Feed yourself on your own idiocity.

The creator went on its way to get Asuma and Gai, both in the exact same conditions against Kisame. None of them using chakra or jutsu`s, both defending a charging Kisame, and both using a weapon to block it.

So what happened?

Asuma held his own, only to be cut by Kisame`s sword, while the migthy Gai gets winded down in the initial charge and its left bleeding from a punch. Not the sword, a punch.

This also shows, how without the gates, Asuma handles pain better. He took the cut without crying it out like Gai did.

Gai is a beast with the gates, but he isent anything special or superior without them, compared to the other elite Jounin. And im looking forward for you to actually show me where im wrong, with these comparations *done by the creator*.

By using some filler maybe..

Gai fought a bloodlusted version of Kisame who was using his jutsus, not just going at it physically.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Both in the same conditions? I do not recall Kisame taking Asuma all that seriously

The whole "he held back against Asuma and was bloodlust against Gai" its nothing but internet fanwank.

You can tell by the actions of Kisame in the manga, rigth before he started figthing Asuma, that the only thing he "held back" was what Itachi told him to "not *overdo*", wich would be moves that would call attention to the rest of the village, like jutsus. There is no line or indication that he held back his strength. Moreso, he especifically called out the two Jounin by angrily hitting his sword on the floor, as a sign of challenge.

Like Itachi also noted, it looked like they couldnt move on without a figth.

What happens next? He tries to hit Kurenai, when Asuma blocked him. Then again he angrily shouts the same thing he did against Gai, about how he would be "cut him to ribbons".

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
once Asuma got a surprise hit on Kisame, who had the upper hand the rest of the fight? Oh yeah, Kisame. Kisame is strong as hell, a punch to the stomach from him would hurt much worse than a mere graze on the shoulder, which is what Asuma got, and it is not like Kisame's strike was meant to kill him.

And what was Gai doing before he opened the gates? Ah yes, busy getting pounded. Asuma at least was dodging Kisame`s strikes after the slash.

A "mere graze"? Talk about selling it short. In the manga he cuts the arm, while shouting the same crap he did against Gai. Of course, he did it with a smile, but then again so did Asuma when he cut him in return.

Since we didnt saw Asuma being hit with a punch we can only judge both him and Gai by the same challene. And the creator went on its way to have both Asuma and Gai deal with the same strength challenge from Kisame.

Your not really trying to sold me the idea that base Gai is better than Asuma when he goes down by the initial charge - before he even got the punch - are you?

Besides, wasent the clone more pissed off that Gai didnt remembered him?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Gai fought a bloodlusted version of Kisame who was using his jutsus, not just going at it physically.

Gai fougth a limited clone.

And, no. The first water jutsu Kisame used, to drow them, was dodged by everyone. The next jutsu was used on his team, not on Gai, and the last jutsu was only used after the physical encounter.

In wich, Gai simply did worse than Asuma.

Originally posted by olympian
Thats an argument for what exactly?

Gai only looks above the other Jounin when he opens the gates, not without. I havent seen a single thing from base Gai, speedwise or not, that makes him superior.

Well the fact that Gai is the one who taught Lee super speed, means that Gai has superspeed. Asuma lost to Hidan, the worst akatsuki, and gai, without the gates, lost to kisame, one of the best akatsuki. Kisame>>>Hidan easily. Gai's speed is too fast for Asuma to keep up with him.

Appearantly you dont read either the manga or what people have to tell you.

Hidan is only slow in speed attack, among his group, because of two factors. He carries the heaviest weapon and his attack relies on performing a ritual for his jutsu to happen. Its not about overall speed.

In actual battle, both him and Asuma looked rather even, speedwise, despite Hidan having to use 3 weapons to get that drop of blood. Hidan also looked rather even with Kakashi in the two small exchanges both had.

But fine, you say Kisame is faster than Hidan?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/16/

Well, for some odd reason that doesnt blow a load over Asuma`s speed, does it?

Then again, you are probably one of the few who thinks Lee can take on Asuma because of...lol, "speed".

Do you honestly think that Asuma can keep up with Gai's speed? Look how fast Lee is, and now double that speed. Gai needs nothing else but speed to beat Asuma to a bloody pulp. If he has to, which he won't, he uses primary lotus, and he won't block that.

I dont have to "honestly think" anything. From what i read in the manga, Gai isent heaps above any of the other two experienced elite Jounin. You can make a case for that when he pulls off the gates, not without. The example you used was Kisame, and Asuma didnt looked any less faster on 1 vs 1 than Gai did before he opened the 6th gate.

And what was so impressive about Lee`s speed? For a Genin, sure, but not a single Jounin that was watching the match against Gaara boast a nut of it being impressive about theyr level.

Seems to me you are merely overselling a figthing style, more than its due credit, because it looks "flashy".

Originally posted by olympian
I dont have to "honestly think" anything. From what i read in the manga, Gai isent heaps above any of the other two experienced elite Jounin. You can make a case for that when he pulls off the gates, not without. The example you used was Kisame, and Asuma didnt looked any less faster on 1 vs 1 than Gai did before he opened the 6th gate.

And what was so impressive about Lee`s speed? For a Genin, sure, but not a single Jounin that was watching the match against Gaara boast a nut of it being impressive about theyr level.

Seems to me you are merely overselling a figthing style, more than its due credit, because it looks "flashy".

But you have nothing to back up Asuma in a fight. Gai is the fastest Jounin in the village, and no one is near his speed. I can make a case with Gai pulling it off without the gates. Asuma sucks. He has shitty jutsu's. He has never beaten anyone that is strong. He can't even stand up to Hidan, which is pathetic.

Everyone knows Asuma sucks, and is nothing special. Just because he is a jounin doesn't mean anything. Gai, in a stomp.

Originally posted by Wil7
But you have nothing to back up Asuma in a fight. Gai is the fastest Jounin in the village, and no one is near his speed. I can make a case with Gai pulling it off without the gates. Asuma sucks. He has shitty jutsu's. He has never beaten anyone that is strong. He can't even stand up to Hidan, which is pathetic.

Everyone knows Asuma sucks, and is nothing special. Just because he is a jounin doesn't mean anything. Gai, in a stomp.

Asuma would have beaten Hidan..if Hidan hadn't been immortal. He cut his head clear off. Asuma also defeated those sound ninja that were after Shikamaru showing off some real speed. Just because we don't see much from Asuma doesn't mean he's weak. We hardly see anything from Gai either does that mean he's weak? He had trouble with a 30% chakra clone of Kisame after all compared to Asuma's trouble with a fully powered immortal who he would have killed if not for the immortal part.

Originally posted by Wil7
But you have nothing to back up Asuma in a fight.

No. Its more that i and others already HAVE, and you pretend you dont get it.

Originally posted by Wil7
Gai is the fastest Jounin in the village, and no one is near his speed.

Show me in the manga where he was ever showed as the fasted nin in the village.

This should be rich. "i cant find it but i just know".

Links.

Originally posted by Wil7
I can make a case with Gai pulling it off without the gates.

You cant, because there is nothing of what you preach in the manga. You are a fanboy overselling a more popular character.

Kisame didnt went all out against either Gai or Asuma, and yet one of them went down with the initial charge while the other DIDNT. Both managed to equally dodge Kisame later on, and yet you expect me to buy your fanfic crap?

Originally posted by Wil7
Asuma sucks. He has shitty jutsu's. He has never beaten anyone that is strong. He can't even stand up to Hidan, which is pathetic.

Who did Gai beat? A limited clone that was only there to DELAY the two teams and sucessed?

You dont read the manga, that much is perfectly clear. Your comments on every character in your post arent from that source.

Wich makes me wonder why you decide to discuss something you know nothing about.

Originally posted by Wil7
Everyone knows Asuma sucks, and is nothing special. Just because he is a jounin doesn't mean anything. Gai, in a stomp.

If Asuma "sucks" then it doesnt speak highly of Gai who was doing worse until he used his master stroke.

And "anyone" when the ONLY poster talking nonsense is you? Hardy har. The fail.

Any of the Akatsuki could solo the sound 4

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, they are technically of chunin rank, but with jounin skills in a specific area. Like that one dude with all the scars, who is an expert in psychological torture.

http://www.leafninja.com/biographies-N.php

The databook states him and the other guy, Genma, as special Jounin, Tokubetsu Jounin, as well.

The guy with psychological interrogation or whatever is Morino Ibiki, he didn't fight the sound 4

I never said he did.

Genma and Raidou did.

Originally posted by olympian
Show me in the manga where he was ever showed as the fasted nin in the village.

This should be rich. "i cant find it but i just know".

Links.

You cant, because there is nothing of what you preach in the manga. You are a fanboy overselling a more popular character.

Kisame didnt went all out against either Gai or Asuma, and yet one of them went down with the initial charge while the other DIDNT. Both managed to equally dodge Kisame later on, and yet you expect me to buy your fanfic crap?

Who did Gai beat? A limited clone that was only there to DELAY the two teams and sucessed?

You dont read the manga, that much is perfectly clear. Your comments on every character in your post arent from that source.

Wich makes me wonder why you decide to discuss something you know nothing about.

If Asuma "sucks" then it doesnt speak highly of Gai who was doing worse until he used his master stroke.

And "anyone" when the ONLY poster talking nonsense is you? Hardy har. The fail.

Never said he was the fastest, but

1. Find a ninja that is "faster than gai"
2. Since Kakashi is faster than Asuma, and Gai is faster than Kakashi means he is one of the fastest in the village.

Me the fanboy, 😆 🤣 , you're f****n hilarious, you are the one saying that Asuma is better than Gai, which is the funniest joke that I have heared in a longass time. YOU'RE THE F****N FANBOY!!!

Well lets see, Kisame only used one jutsu against Asuma, and that wasn't near 30% chakra, and it would have taken down Asuma with ease if it wasn't for Kakashi copying the jutsu, and all Gai stood up better than Asuma did.

And who did Asuma die to? Hidan, who 30% Kisame would have taken down with 1 jutsu, or 2.

It doesn't matter if I don't read the manga, although I read it from time to time, but the anime shows all that happens in the fight, unlike the manga, and it is flat out better than manga scans.

You are argueing over a fight where you can't even argue how Asuma wins, and you are saying that I don't know anything, and I was just looking at the Asuma, and Hidan fight, and Asuma got owned.

You don't know shit about Naruto do you? Asuma would have lost with 1 jutsu, and how many did Kisame have to use until Gai opened some gates? ALOT!!!

You are the one talking nonsence. You have no facts to show that Asuma can win, and I have showed facts on who would win. Gai has every advantage, and I will put 2 more facts:

1. Asuma sucks
2. Gai is better with ease

Originally posted by Kento
Gai isn't leagues above everybody in speed without using the gates.

Asuma would have beaten Hidan..if Hidan hadn't been immortal. He cut his head clear off. Asuma also defeated those sound ninja that were after Shikamaru showing off some real speed. Just because we don't see much from Asuma doesn't mean he's weak. We hardly see anything from Gai either does that mean he's weak? He had trouble with a 30% chakra clone of Kisame after all compared to Asuma's trouble with a fully powered immortal who he would have killed if not for the immortal part.

Name someone who is faster?

That is like taking away Peins 6 bodies.Since it is apart of him, Asuma got his ass beat. Asuma beat a bunch of sound ninja, who shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the 9th sound ninja stopping the attack. Well, that is preety much all we will see from him, and for all we know, he could have been using all of his strenght, but still lost. Asuma would have clearly lost to Kisame with one jutsu, like I have already said, if it wasn't for Kakashi, he would have lost, and that wasn't even a 30% jutsu. Already said, you can't take that away from him.

Originally posted by Wil7
Name someone who is faster?

That is like taking away Peins 6 bodies.Since it is apart of him, Asuma got his ass beat. Asuma beat a bunch of sound ninja, who shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the 9th sound ninja stopping the attack. Well, that is preety much all we will see from him, and for all we know, he could have been using all of his strenght, but still lost. Asuma would have clearly lost to Kisame with one jutsu, like I have already said, if it wasn't for Kakashi, he would have lost, and that wasn't even a 30% jutsu. Already said, you can't take that away from him.

Did I say he wasn't faster? I just said he isn't leaps and bounds faster.

Doesn't change the fact Asuma killed them all before they could even attempt to get away.
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.15704/page.9/

Asuma would have lost to a full-powered Kisame...Gai was loosing without gates to 30% powered Kisame. And Asuma would have beaten Hidan easily if not for Hidan having immortality. Gai hasn't really beaten or come close to beating anybody at full power.

Originally posted by Wil7
But you have nothing to back up Asuma in a fight. Gai is the fastest Jounin in the village, and no one is near his speed. I can make a case with Gai pulling it off without the gates. Asuma sucks. He has shitty jutsu's. He has never beaten anyone that is strong. He can't even stand up to Hidan, which is pathetic.

Everyone knows Asuma sucks, and is nothing special. Just because he is a jounin doesn't mean anything. Gai, in a stomp.

how do you figure he is pathetic just because he lost to Hidan. Hidan is part of the Akatsuki. He has one of the most unpredictable fighting styles in the show. If you dont know about his abilities there is a large chance you wont win in a fight against him. Kakashi didnt get scratched because of two things one he has sharingan tow because he kjnew about Hidan's abilities. So dont sell asuma short just because he lost to hidan. There are lots of ninja that would lose also

Originally posted by Wil7
Name someone who is faster?

Itachi.

Originally posted by Wil7
Never said he was the fastest, but...

Yes you did, fanboy. Now prove it.

Originally posted by Wil7
Find a ninja that is "faster than gai"

This is like asking me "who is faster than him, aka nobody is". Same thing.

Links. "One Manga.com" got the whole set of chapters so far. Show me. If you dont, ill know you are a lying.

Originally posted by Wil7
2. Since Kakashi is faster than Asuma, and Gai is faster than Kakashi means he is one of the fastest in the village.

Show me in the Manga examples of all this.

Links.

Originally posted by Wil7
Me the fanboy, 😆 🤣 , you're f****n hilarious, you are the one saying that Asuma is better than Gai, which is the funniest joke that I have heared in a longass time. YOU'RE THE F****N FANBOY!!!

I have proof. You have lack of balls.

When someone is cornered and the only thing that leaves that person`s keyboard is exclamations of "lols" and "your da 1 who is da fanboy" - while dodging the questions asked it means what it means.

You are crying a river. And thats fanboysh.

Originally posted by Wil7
Well lets see, Kisame only used one jutsu against Asuma, and that wasn't near 30% chakra, and it would have taken down Asuma with ease if it wasn't for Kakashi copying the jutsu, and all Gai stood up better than Asuma did.

You cant know if the water Jutsu would have taken out Asuma, since Kakashi showed up at that time. Thats like proving a negative. There is nothing in the dialogue saying that Asuma wouldnt be able to have done anything. He certainly doesnt cry: "thank you kakashi, glad you showed up or i was done *sobs*"

He says "what are YOU doing here now"?

Since a weaker and out of shape Kakashi, managed to take water jutsu against Zab, and wasent killed, we can expeculate that a simple water jutsu isent going to outrigth kill anyone of Jounin level.

Knocked back? Maybe and also likely. But then again they can all dodge it, like Ten-ten did against Kisame`s *rolls eyes*.

Originally posted by Wil7
It doesn't matter if I don't read the manga, although I read it from time to time, but the anime shows all that happens in the fight, unlike the manga, and it is flat out better than manga scans.

Ah, it "doesnt matter if you read the manga" and you "read it time to time". You also say you see the Anime instead, wich contains added filler moments that arent in the Manga. Good job.

Yes, we all managed to gather that. You dont read it. And its obviously important to be able to discuss shit like this.

Originally posted by Wil7
You are argueing over a fight where you can't even argue how Asuma wins, and you are saying that I don't know anything, and I was just looking at the Asuma, and Hidan fight, and Asuma got owned.

And this again shows your ignorance. Its pathetic.

Asuma got owned by a jutsu that outrigth kills anyone with a drop of blood. Thats genin level!

Like in the further chapters indicate (if you had..read it) the only way anyone took Hidan out for good, was with prep + chosen battlefield + traps all over that battlefield + help + Hidan`s partner`s blood, (wich was actually the key, or Shika would be dead even with all this prep) + knowlege of Hidan`s figthing style + knowlege of Hidan`s jutsu AND religion. And last but not the least (mentioned by Shika) Asuma`s own tips to him before he died.

EVERTHING that Asuma did NOT have. Only someone foolish enough and that does not read the Manga, can come up and make the general idiotic comparations that you do, without knowing what context is.

Originally posted by Wil7
You don't know shit about Naruto do you? Asuma would have lost with 1 jutsu, and how many did Kisame have to use until Gai opened some gates? ALOT!!!

Lets see:

Kisame`s first jutsu was dodged by EVERYONE in the battlefield as we know. Even by Ten-Ten.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/04-05/

Kisame`s water prison was NOT used on Gai, but his team. Thats two(!) out of three water jutsu that didnt mattered in the figth against Gai.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/18/

Gai had also HELP of Lee and Neji as well as Ten-Ten in the beginning of the figth.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/08/

Now the rest:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/10/

Until Kisame tried to use the underwater shark jutsu, it was mostly all a physical encounter, of wich Gai failed worse than Asuma did, since he couldnt even stop the initial charge of Kisame`s sword, and end up bloodied from a punch.

And of course, when Gai was caugh in the shark jutsu, what does he do? He pulls off "his best attack" so far. Wich shows that without it, he would have gotten owned. He says so himself something on the note of: "its my last chance".

Hear that? Its you getting owned you little "reading the Manga doesnt matter to debate characters of the same". You cant even cry a river and stick to the idea that Kisame was bloodlust (or more bloodlust than he was against Asuma - and he was angry then) when the only thing he was pissed at Gai was that he didnt remembered him for the sneak kick he got, years before. The clone`s task is explicity stated to be to DELAY both teams, only, not to kill them.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/10/

Originally posted by Wil7
You are the one talking nonsence. You have no facts to show that Asuma can win, and I have showed facts on who would win. Gai has every advantage, and I will put 2 more facts:1. Asuma sucks
2. Gai is better with ease

Those arent facts, those are assumptions of a fool who doesnt read the Manga.

Asuma can figth normal Gai on even terms and even win because:

Hes fast for it. And he has showed it.

Its physically stronger. And he has showed it.

Hien is a one kill jutsu against most nin`s who dont sport some kind of good skin protection, like Hidan`s partner. And thats an if, since we never saw Asuma against that guy. A protection that Gai doesnt have.

Originally posted by Wil7
Name someone who is faster?

Thats easy, and more than one poster will answer to this. Itachi. And considerable so. Also Current Sasuke. And lets not even go with deceased nin, or he would go down more in the list.

Kakashi and Asuma are well on the level of Gai without using Gates.

Originally posted by Wil7
Asuma beat a bunch of sound ninja, who shikamaru would have killed if it wasn't for the 9th sound ninja stopping the attack.

Except in the Manga, Shikamaru makes it perfectly clear that if his chakra wasent low, the best he could still pull off was a DELAY.

Without it however, he wanted to buy time for Naruto and Sakura by offing himself as a sacrifising LAMB. He knew he would DIE.

You dont. read.the. Manga.

Originally posted by Wil7
Well, that is preety much all we will see from him,..

It isent.

In fact, the amount of battles Asuma has been in, are comparable with the amount of *significant battles*, Gai has been in. What Gai got is more screen time, because of the comedy about insisting in having a non correspondent rivality with Kakashi.

Originally posted by Wil7
and for all we know, he could have been using all of his strenght, but still lost.

Dont rape context. If Gai didnt pulled the 6th Gate, by his OWN admittion, he was done. And we SEE before the gate being open, Gai getting a can of woop ass on him, physically.

And while its clear that Kisame would beat both Asuma and Gai to the ground that way, we all saw one doing better than the other in that regard. And it wasent Gai.

Originally posted by Wil7
Asuma would have clearly lost to Kisame with one jutsu

When has a water jutsu ever one shot anyone of this level? Never. You cant also prove something that was never done, its an assumption.

But fine, if Asuma didnt wanted to make Kisame look like a fool, he would have extended his hien further and cut off his head. And Kisame not being immortal, or having a partner that could pull him together again, would have lost.

See? So many "ifs". And all possible, except in this case we HAVE SEEN what the Hien can do (cut a guys head with one hit - of the same group, and the same with wood and a boulder), wereas we havent seen a simple Water Jutsu like the one Kisame used, one shot anyone. Especially of this level.

My reading assumption > your non reading assumption.

Originally posted by olympian
Yes you did, fanboy. Now prove it.

This is like asking me "who is faster than him, aka nobody is". Same thing.

Links. "One Manga.com" got the whole set of chapters so far. Show me. If you dont, ill know you are a lying.

Show me in the Manga examples of all this.

Links.

I have proof. You have lack of balls.

When someone is cornered and the only thing that leaves that person`s keyboard is exclamations of "lols" and "your da 1 who is da fanboy" - while dodging the questions asked it means what it means.

You are crying a river. And thats fanboysh.

You cant know if the water Jutsu would have taken out Asuma, since Kakashi showed up at that time. Thats like proving a negative. There is nothing in the dialogue saying that Asuma wouldnt be able to have done anything. He certainly doesnt cry: "thank you kakashi, glad you showed up or i was done *sobs*"

He says "what are YOU doing here now"?

Since a weaker and out of shape Kakashi, managed to take water jutsu against Zab, and wasent killed, we can expeculate that a simple water jutsu isent going to outrigth kill anyone of Jounin level.

Knocked back? Maybe and also likely. But then again they can all dodge it, like Ten-ten did against Kisame`s *rolls eyes*.

Ah, it "doesnt matter if you read the manga" and you "read it time to time". You also say you see the Anime instead, wich contains added filler moments that arent in the Manga. Good job.

Yes, we all managed to gather that. You dont read it. And its obviously important to be able to discuss shit like this.

And this again shows your ignorance. Its pathetic.

Asuma got owned by a jutsu that outrigth kills anyone with a drop of blood. Thats genin level!

Like in the further chapters indicate (if you had..read it) the only way anyone took Hidan out for good, was with prep + chosen battlefield + traps all over that battlefield + help + Hidan`s partner`s blood, (wich was actually the key, or Shika would be dead even with all this prep) + knowlege of Hidan`s figthing style + knowlege of Hidan`s jutsu AND religion. And last but not the least (mentioned by Shika) Asuma`s own tips to him before he died.

EVERTHING that Asuma did NOT have. Only someone foolish enough and that does not read the Manga, can come up and make the general idiotic comparations that you do, without knowing what context is.

Lets see:

Kisame`s first jutsu was dodged by EVERYONE in the battlefield as we know. Even by Ten-Ten.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/04-05/

Kisame`s water prison was NOT used on Gai, but his team. Thats two(!) out of three water jutsu that didnt mattered in the figth against Gai.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/18/

Gai had also HELP of Lee and Neji as well as Ten-Ten in the beginning of the figth.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/08/

Now the rest:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/10/

Until Kisame tried to use the underwater shark jutsu, it was mostly all a physical encounter, of wich Gai failed worse than Asuma did, since he couldnt even stop the initial charge of Kisame`s sword, and end up bloodied from a punch.

And of course, when Gai was caugh in the shark jutsu, what does he do? He pulls off "his best attack" so far. Wich shows that without it, he would have gotten owned. He says so himself something on the note of: "its my last chance".

Hear that? Its you getting owned you little "reading the Manga doesnt matter to debate characters of the same". You cant even cry a river and stick to the idea that Kisame was bloodlust (or more bloodlust than he was against Asuma - and he was angry then) when the only thing he was pissed at Gai was that he didnt remembered him for the sneak kick he got, years before. The clone`s task is explicity stated to be to DELAY both teams, only, not to kill them.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/10/

Those arent facts, those are assumptions of a fool who doesnt read the Manga.

Asuma can figth normal Gai on even terms and even win because:

Hes fast for it. And he has showed it.

Its physically stronger. And he has showed it.

Hien is a one kill jutsu against most nin`s who dont sport some kind of good skin protection, like Hidan`s partner. And thats an if, since we never saw Asuma against that guy. A protection that Gai doesnt have.

Thats easy, and more than one poster will answer to this. Itachi. And considerable so. Also Current Sasuke. And lets not even go with deceased nin, or he would go down more in the list.

Kakashi and Asuma are well on the level of Gai without using Gates.

Except in the Manga, Shikamaru makes it perfectly clear that if his chakra wasent low, the best he could still pull off was a DELAY.

Without it however, he wanted to buy time for Naruto and Sakura by offing himself as a sacrifising LAMB. He knew he would DIE.

You dont. read.the. Manga.

It isent.

In fact, the amount of battles Asuma has been in, are comparable with the amount of *significant battles*, Gai has been in. What Gai got is more screen time, because of the comedy about insisting in having a non correspondent rivality with Kakashi.

Dont rape context. If Gai didnt pulled the 6th Gate, by his OWN admittion, he was done. And we SEE before the gate being open, Gai getting a can of woop ass on him, physically.

And while its clear that Kisame would beat both Asuma and Gai to the ground that way, we all saw one doing better than the other in that regard. And it wasent Gai.

When has a water jutsu ever one shot anyone of this level? Never. You cant also prove something that was never done, its an assumption.

But fine, if Asuma didnt wanted to make Kisame look like a fool, he would have extended his hien further and cut off his head. And Kisame not being immortal, or having a partner that could pull him together again, would have lost.

See? So many "ifs". And all possible, except in this case we HAVE SEEN what the Hien can do (cut a guys head with one hit - of the same group, and the same with wood and a boulder), wereas we havent seen a simple Water Jutsu like the one Kisame used, one shot anyone. Especially of this level.

My reading assumption > your non reading assumption.

I am not reading all of your fanboyish, retarded, and flat out gay of a post, but I will answer a one and say one more thing.

Kakashi beat Zabuza with one water style jutsu, and that is a weak jutsu, and a water shark bomb would have beaten Asuma, if it wasn't for Kakashi.

You are an immature little *******. You're comebacks for this are laughable, in fact, 😂 😂 😂 , and they are pathetic. You can't even argue how Asuma would win, because flat out, he won't be able to keep up with Gai's speed, when he couldn't avoid Hidan getting alittle blood from him. Kakashi has shown to be one of the best jounin from the village, and Gai has beaten him. Come back with a at least reosonable comeback on how Asuma could beat Gai, then I will argue with your immature, retarded ass more, but until then, you're a waste of my time.

Originally posted by Wil7
I am not reading all of your fanboyish, retarded, and flat out gay of a post, but I will answer a one and say one more thing.

Kakashi beat Zabuza with one water style jutsu, and that is a weak jutsu, and a water shark bomb would have beaten Asuma, if it wasn't for Kakashi.

You are an immature little *******. You're comebacks for this are laughable, in fact, 😂 😂 😂 , and they are pathetic. You can't even argue how Asuma would win, because flat out, he won't be able to keep up with Gai's speed, when he couldn't avoid Hidan getting alittle blood from him. Kakashi has shown to be one of the best jounin from the village, and Gai has beaten him. Come back with a at least reosonable comeback on how Asuma could beat Gai, then I will argue with your immature, retarded ass more, but until then, you're a waste of my time.

I know I am immature, but not as immature as olympian. I mean he is basically trying to outcuss me, and has absolutly no arguement for Asuma vs Gai.

You tell me who honestly wins DJ. Oh, and yeah Itachi is only quicker with handsigns.

i think akatsuki will win with little effort.