Originally posted by Wil7
I know I am immature, but not as immature as olympian. I mean he is basically trying to outcuss me, and has absolutly no arguement for Asuma vs Gai.You tell me who honestly wins DJ. Oh, and yeah Itachi is only quicker with handsigns.
Im not "trying to". I did. And look at you crying for everyone to see.
And it wasent hard, because you lack anything resembling an argument. When you ask "how you compare Asuma and normal Gai" you arent expecting people to actually think in any objective way, you just want to hear wheter people go with the popular internet flow or not.
What the heck makes normal Gai so awesome in your eyes that places him higher than the other two elite Jounin? I cant tell, but its sure not in the Manga. And guess what im using.
And Itachi is not only quickier with handsigns. Sorry to burst your overrateness. I could again post pages from the source that imply that, but we all know now, that not even the authour can appearantly change your mind.
Originally posted by olympian
Im not "trying to". I did. And look at you crying for everyone to see.And it wasent hard, because you lack anything resembling an argument. When you ask "how you compare Asuma and normal Gai" you arent expecting people to actually think in any objective way, you just want to hear wheter people go with the popular internet flow or not.
What the heck makes normal Gai so awesome in your eyes that places him higher than the other two elite Jounin? I cant tell, but its sure not in the Manga. And guess what im using.
And Itachi is not only quickier with handsigns. Sorry to burst your overrateness. I could again post pages from the source that imply that, but we all know now, that not even the authour can appearantly change your mind.
I am tired of arguing Asuma, who can't even beat Hidan, vs Gai, because all he needs to do is use primary lotus, hidden lotus, or peacock move and win, but that won't change your opinion because you just say he will win without arguing how. Learn how to debate first, then argue.
Originally posted by Wil7🙄 You keep acting like loosing to Hidan is a low point when Hidan only won because he's immortal, and that Asuma would have won if he hadn't been. Not to mention Gai barley beat a weakened Kisame who wasn't trying.
I am tired of arguing Asuma, who can't even beat Hidan, vs Gai, because all he needs to do is use primary lotus, hidden lotus, or peacock move and win, but that won't change your opinion because you just say he will win without arguing how. Learn how to debate first, then argue.
Originally posted by Wil7
I am tired of arguing Asuma, who can't even beat Hidan, vs Gai, because all he needs to do is use primary lotus, hidden lotus, or peacock move and win, but that won't change your opinion because you just say he will win without arguing how. Learn how to debate first, then argue.
Notice how nobody agrees with you? There is a reason for that. And its not only because you havent read the Manga.
You should also learn to lose a debate with charm. I mean, after *you* learn how to properly debate first, that is.
Originally posted by Wil7Only in his case he is presenting an argument and using logic and proof directly from the primary source, the manga, to support his case, whereas you are just posting slanderous remarks and using a painfully obvious amount of fallacious points.
I know I am immature, but not as immature as olympian. I mean he is basically trying to outcuss me, and has absolutly no arguement for Asuma vs Gai.You tell me who honestly wins DJ. Oh, and yeah Itachi is only quicker with handsigns.
Between Gai and Asuma? IMO Gai.
Here is the thing, Gai is very fast, possibly faster than Asuma, possibly not, but is definately physically more powerful and possessing more variety in his Taijutsu style, I won't say he is more skilled at Taijutsu than Asuma, only more versatile with it.
Using Kisame is rather unfair, several of Gai's advantages he would have over Asuma are negated with Kisame, as Kisame is fast enough to fight Gai, has much greater physical strength, more versatility in Taijutsu,, and more overall versatility and power.
Asuma got one shot in on Kisame, from a surprise hit, the rest of the fight went rather poorly for Asuma, who was easily driven back and would have been hit with a water jutsu which would have hurt, maybe killed Asuma.
Kisame's chakra reserves were indeed lower when he fought Gai, but he fought with more ferocity and used more jutsu and more power in them.
Also, Itachi is faster period, able to move so fast a power Sharingan user like Kakashi could not perceive him.
Originally posted by olympian
Everyone says i do, but you. Loser.You also changed your earlier debate from "Gai wont even need to use any gates to beat Asuma" to "he needs to do the peacock dance".
And that makes you a double loser.
although i take your side on this...
double loser???
thats kinda lame... maybe even "double" lame 😆
Originally posted by olympian
Everyone says i do, but you. Loser.You also changed your earlier debate from "Gai wont even need to use any gates to beat Asuma" to "he needs to do the peacock dance".
And that makes you a double loser.
He doesn't need to use the gates, but just to end it quickly and kill Asuma he could use it, but Gai could just use his normal speed and just toy with him for the entire time, and you still haven't showed that Asuma can keep up with Gai's speed.
Originally posted by olympian
You just said before he needs to do his peacock dance. The gate.So, wich is it? And when are you going to show me the links that support your stance?
HE could either the gates which is quicker, or his pure speed which is longer, and the results will remain.
What di I honestly need to prove nub, that he could use the gates and win, well we already know that he can use the gates and win, and you need to show proof that Asuma can block stuff faster than Gai.
Of course you need to prove it. You arent arguing with an internet flock, that goes along with fanwank.
Where does Gai without opening the gates, looks to be faster than Asuma in the manga? If you knew this already, it wouldnt take more than FOUR pages, for you to (not) post SOMETHING and show it.
Put up or....you know the rest.
How its going to be?
Originally posted by olympian
Of course you need to prove it. You arent arguing with an internet flock, that goes along with fanwank.Where does Gai without opening the gates, looks to be faster than Asuma in the manga? If you knew this already, it wouldnt take more than FOUR pages, for you to (not) post SOMETHING and show it.
Put up or....you know the rest.
How its going to be?
Well, since he was the one who taught Lee super speed, and is even beyond that speed, and it has already been stated that Gai is faster than Kakashi, and Kakashi is faster than Asuma, noob. And just to show you, here is a quote that Gai said to Lee:
"I was a failure when I was your age, but now I can even beat Kakashi, the elite genius. It's only a matter of time until Lee finally surpasses you!"
Now thatt I have prooved that Gai is faster than even Kakashi, and has even beaten him, I want you to prove that Asuma has stopped speed better than this: you know what, go watch the damm Gai vs Kisame fight yourself, because I still know, even if I show scans, your opinion won't change.
Originally posted by Wil7
Well, since he was the one who taught Lee super speed
Any known elite Jounin is faster than Lee. Look at what three of them *randomly* did to Neji, when he attempted to strike Hinata.
Originally posted by Wil7
And just to show you, here is a quote that Gai said to Lee:"I was a failure when I was your age, but now I can even beat Kakashi, the elite genius. It's only a matter of time until Lee finally surpasses you!"
Yes. He *can* beat Kakashi. The same way he *can* and *will* lose on other ocassions. That has also been stated. Gai and Kakashi have a win AND loss record against each other. And most of them werent stated to have been figths either.
Likewise, Asuma *can* also beat Gai. The speed showings hes got are comparable with what the other two showed, hes gone against two s-class nin, that also fougth the other two, and didnt looked any less faster than they did by direct comparation.
Bottom line IS, Gai isent on a rank or level where he automatically wins everytime against other elite Jounin. And Lee certainly isent surpassing anyone on that level rigth now, is he?
Originally posted by Wil7
Now thatt I have prooved that Gai is faster than even Kakashi, and has even beaten him
Fallacy.
Its been stated that Gai has also lost to Kakashi. Why then, are you going by absolute numbers, fanboy?
Originally posted by Wil7
I want you to prove that Asuma has stopped speed better than this: you know what, go watch the damm Gai vs Kisame fight yourself, because I still know, even if I show scans, your opinion won't change.
I find it funny that now you decide to call the need to show scans at this point, after five pages, when the scans you just claimed you would use wer already posted in this thread. By whom? Me.
Now, you just owned yourself.
Asuma dodged, in front of kisame (the real deal) multiple sword strikes. He wasent flying around the opponent, he was standing in one place - dodging- strikes on Kisame`s face.
Where is the panel of Gai going faster than that until he opened the gates? Nowhere.
So, if Gai is above someone like Kakashi and Asuma (and thats an if), the difference is minimal as shit. Otherwise the Mangaka would have showed the huge difference so far. And he hasent. Certainly not without something extra, that we have mentiond ad neasum so far.
Originally posted by olympian
Any known elite Jounin is faster than Lee. Look at what three of them *randomly* did to Neji, when he attempted to strike Hinata.Yes. He *can* beat Kakashi. The same way he *can* and *will* lose on other ocassions. That has also been stated. Gai and Kakashi have a win AND loss record against each other. And most of them werent stated to have been figths either.
Likewise, Asuma *can* also beat Gai. The speed showings hes got are comparable with what the other two showed, hes gone against two s-class nin, that also fougth the other two, and didnt looked any less faster than they did by direct comparation.
Bottom line IS, Gai isent on a rank or level where he automatically wins everytime against other elite Jounin. And Lee certainly isent surpassing anyone on that level rigth now, is he?
Fallacy.
Its been stated that Gai has also lost to Kakashi. Why then, are you going by absolute numbers, fanboy?
I find it funny that now you decide to call the need to show scans at this point, after five pages, when the scans you just claimed you would use wer already posted in this thread. By whom? Me.
Now, you just owned yourself.
Asuma dodged, in front of kisame (the real deal) multiple sword strikes. He wasent flying around the opponent, he was standing in one place - dodging- strikes on Kisame`s face.
Where is the panel of Gai going faster than that until he opened the gates? Nowhere.
So, if Gai is above someone like Kakashi and Asuma (and thats an if), the difference is minimal as shit. Otherwise the Mangaka would have showed the huge difference so far. And he hasent. Certainly not without something extra, that we have mentiond ad neasum so far.
Still no proof I see. I am still waiting for proof that Asuma can keep up with Gai's speed.
You just quote me giving you all the proof in the world. On the other hand, i will be old and senile until you pull the scans out of your ass, to show me where normal Gai is so much faster than either Kakashi or Asuma in speed. Its what you *claimed*, and five pages after, i still see shit.
Go to OneManga.com and direct me to, where in the figth against Kisame, Gai dodged some attack faster than Asuma did. Next, go to Kakashi`s bouts with Hidan, and point me in, where did he moved faster than Asuma did agaisnt the same opponent.
Then go back to Leaf versus Sound nin, and point me out of any of them moving faster than Asuma.
I dont CARE about your assumptions, or personal rankings of the characters based on the Anime or internet resumes, i want you to point me in, to something that is actually there. If you cant do it even with a website hosting the whole damn Manga at your disposal, to something that actually holds back your claim to be true, you shouldnt be calling out anyone on whatever matter.
Let this be my final warning. Link to us the pages where Gai is doing what you say he can do, without opening the Gates. Dont bother replying with more strawman bullshit, if you know of cases of him doing it, search in the pages and post them. If not, you wont be taken seriously. Buh-bye.