Originally posted by you get thorns
What does prop8 have to do with the original post???It is a question of maintaning tax exempt status. 😘
Since the word "Mormon" is in the title, certain users feel that the only thing worth talking about is Prop 8- even though the discussion is had on several threads....
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Is being gay a sin or is sodomy the sin?I mean, its sinful to have lustful thoughts for women- does this make heterosexuality sinful?
On the most fundamental level, it's the thoughts that count as the sin, regardless of sexual orientation. If you read the New Testament, you would know that. 😉
But for the scripture reference on the thoughts...
Matthew 5:28
Originally posted by you get thorns
What does prop8 have to do with the original post???It is a question of maintaning tax exempt status. 😘
Try to keep up, sport.
Current discussion was science and religion. I was commenting, since this is about he weird-ass Mormon belief's cartoon, on Mormons' behaviors. (relevance #1) Since Prop-8 seems to go against the standards behaviors and even common conceptions of Mormonisms, my comment was all too relevant. (relevance #2) Compound that relevance with the previously mentioned science in faith as it specifically pertained to Mormonism and you have found the contextual placement of my post. (relevance #1+#2)
This rarely happens on the internets because I am really laid back. Nothing gets to me, really. However, your pure intentional stupidity pissed me off. One of my pet peeves is dumbassery. There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity; your post was just plain dumb. Please think a little harder than a monkey before making a critical post. 😐 I apologize for being an a**hole in advance...it's just that some things piss me off.
Try to keep up, sport.
Current discussion was science and religion. I was commenting, since this is about he weird-ass Mormon belief's cartoon, on Mormons' behaviors. (relevance #1) Since Prop-8 seems to go against the standards behaviors and even common conceptions of Mormonisms, my comment was all too relevant. (relevance #2) Compound that relevance with the previously mentioned science in faith as it specifically pertained to Mormonism and you have found the contextual placement of my post. (relevance #1+#2)
This rarely happens on the internets because I am really laid back. Nothing gets to me, really. However, your pure intentional stupidity pissed me off. One of my pet peeves is dumbassery. There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity; your post was just plain dumb. Please think a little harder than a monkey before making a critical post. 😐 I apologize for being an a**hole in advance...it's just that some things piss me off. [/B][/QUOTE]
Okay Skippy, how about researching the history and teachings and policy of the Mormon Church and the legal issues involving a point brought up in the original post. Obviously I just ain't quite sharp enough to run with the big dogs here. I'll stick to the less serious threads where a moron like me fits in.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That quote Regret put up is one particular reason I was pissed about the Church's stance on Prop-8 and gay marriage. The internet "press-release" on that from August had several areas of un-truth. It seemed to me like it was a knee-jerk reaction that did not include very much scientific forethought. That coupled with the political neutrality that we are (now it's were because of dumbass prop-8) well known made for my distaste of the Church's actions on prop-8 and gay marriage.Sure, being gay is a sin. However, we still have no right to enforce our religious beliefs on those in the secular world. That's wrong by God's law. I'm getting this vague memory of someone in the preexistance who tried to force others to be good...hmmm...it's not ringing a bell...wait..it's coming....OH RIGHT! It was mother ****ing Satan!
I believe that the LDS Church as the LDS Church (individuals should be able to do what they will regardless) needs to either be severely political, supporting everything that we want supported, or we need to be apolitical and solely give advice with no support for anything political.
Originally posted by you get thorns
Okay Skippy, how about researching the history and teachings and policy of the Mormon Church and the legal issues involving a point brought up in the original post. Obviously I just ain't quite sharp enough to run with the big dogs here. I'll stick to the less serious threads where a moron like me fits in.
Considering he is a Mormon he knows a thing or two about Mormonism. The problem here is that the discussion has moved on since the first post so what you said didn't have much bearing and the way you phrased it came off as offensive. Plus, as you said, you're stupid which doesn't help matters.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Considering he is a Mormon he knows a thing or two about Mormonism. The problem here is that the discussion has moved on since the first post so what you said didn't have much bearing and the way you phrased it came off as offensive. Plus, as you said, you're stupid which doesn't help matters.
Since I am sitting here in my sacred chones none of you can hurt me.
Neener neener neener.
Someone made a valid point. The referenced comments on black were taught and discrimination was openly practiced in the LDS Church until the Feds decide to take away their tax exempt status for it. Then they had an epiphany and changed it. I didn't do it but check the history of the church, they did.
Don't shoot the messenger. Fault the guilty.
Originally posted by you get thorns
Obviously I just ain't quite sharp enough to run with the big dogs here. I'll stick to the less serious threads where a moron like me fits in.
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Originally posted by Regret
I agree, sort of.I believe that the LDS Church as the LDS Church (individuals should be able to do what they will regardless) needs to either be severely political, supporting everything that we want supported, or we need to be apolitical and solely give advice with no support for anything political.
I apologize if that came our wrong or offensive. It's just the stupid "facts" that keep getting spewed by ignorant bigots in our church that pisses me off. We should have never crossed the line beyond enforcing our beliefs beyond our "doors."
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Considering he is a Mormon he knows a thing or two about Mormonism. The problem here is that the discussion has moved on since the first post so what you said didn't have much bearing and the way you phrased it came off as offensive. Plus, as you said, you're stupid which doesn't help matters.
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My hero.
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Alright, how much do I owe you?
Originally posted by you get thorns
Since I am sitting here in my sacred chones none of you can hurt me.Neener neener neener.
lol
You've got be careful with that immature stuff. The posters here may confuse you for my sock account!
Originally posted by Regret
Perhaps you should do some research into the LDS Church before attacking it in that manner. The LDS Church is a Christian religion, the little cartoon is a gross misrepresentation of our beliefs.Here are the core differences between LDS, Mormon, beliefs and traditional Christian belief:
[List][*]Christ, God the Father and The Holy Spirit are 3 separate gods in LDS belief. In traditional Christian belief, the three are separate individuals that together are God.[*]LDS believe that Man is the offspring of deity and as such is possibly capable of maturing to godhood. We believe that this is part of what was meant "joint-heirs with Christ" (Romans 8:17).[*]LDS believe God speaks to Man currently through prophets.[/list]Your comment may as well attack Christianity as pseudoscience as well, it is just as close to it as the LDS are.
Quench my curiosity, please.
[list][*] How do you reconcile the second (and/or 1st, depending) Commandment then?[*]The cartoon was correct in that aspect? What about God having a wife?[*]So it's on the word of the prophet(s) alone, that they indeed are a prophet in contact with God? That doesn't sound odd to you, as anyone could very well say "Hey, God is speaking to me, I'm a prophet; I'll lead you"?[/list]
lol
You've got be careful with that immature stuff. The posters here may confuse you for my sock account!
Ain't that odd since they get long johns but no socks to protect them from evil. Never been able to see the logic in that one. Looks like I get the low grade Heaven for speaking my mind. Shucks, guess as long as I get to spend eternity in a lower caste than these people but close enough to their presence I will believe it to be Heaven. Thank Heavenly Father for allowing salvation by proxy. I know one of you will get me in.
Oh, I don't apologize at all for others ignorance.
🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
Look, someone has mocked-socked you.
I think it's funny. The longer I'm here, the more people are warming up to my retardedness.
Originally posted by you get thorns
Ain't that odd since they get long johns but no socks to protect them from evil. Never been able to see the logic in that one. Looks like I get the low grade Heaven for speaking my mind. Shucks, guess as long as I get to spend eternity in a lower caste than these people but close enough to their presence I will believe it to be Heaven. Thank Heavenly Father for allowing salvation by proxy. I know one of you will get me in.Oh, I don't apologize at all for others ignorance.
🙂
I'm willing to be that you like turtles. hmm
Originally posted by Regret
I agree, sort of.I believe that the LDS Church as the LDS Church (individuals should be able to do what they will regardless) needs to either be severely political, supporting everything that we want supported, or we need to be apolitical and solely give advice with no support for anything political.
See what you have to remember is a Church is a moral institution- when so called "political" issues come up which the Church feels are moral it has no choice but to voice its opinion.
Originally posted by Robtard
Quench my curiosity, please.
[list][*]How do you reconcile the second (and/or 1st, depending) Commandment then?
#1 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
#2 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:
#1, We place nothing before God the Father, Christ even placed himself behind God the Father. We worship the Father through Christ, and the Holy Spirit is not worshipped in any manner.
#2 is referencing worship of anything other than God. We do not do such.
[*]The cartoon was correct in that aspect? What about God having a wife?
It was in a manner of speaking.
LDS believe that deity has a physical body, that the physical form is a part of being God. We believe that the immaterial spirit is not capable of influencing the physical.
Yes, we believe that God is married, that he has a wife. We believe that it is possible, but not necessarily the case, that he could have more than one as such has Biblical precedent. We believe that family is eternal. If this is the case then I cannot put it more eloquently than Eliza Snow wrote in her hymn "Oh, My Father":
In the heavens are parents single?
No; the thought makes reason stare!
Truth is reason, truth eternal
Tells me I've a mother there.
Now, God created us as spirit children, our physical form was the result of our earthly parents. Physical procreation produces physical offspring. Given this, the accusation of eternal intercourse and thus eternal pregnancy must be acknowledged as a bit fallacious.
[*]So it's on the word of the prophet(s) alone, that they indeed are a prophet in contact with God? That doesn't sound odd to you, as anyone could very well say "Hey, God is speaking to me, I'm a prophet; I'll lead you"?
That is all that all scripture is.
That is the crux of religious doubt. All religions appeal to such, there is not a religion that does not appeal to some person's claim. All that exists is our own possibly faulty feeling and interpretation of experience. I choose to be religious because the concept is appealing, thus I hope for things that are unseen (Hebrews 11:1). I do not believe that there is evidence to support my beliefs, I simply hope for them to be true. If they are not, my beliefs result in a behavior that elevates me to a more charitable state than I would hold without them and such is of value to me.
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Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavI understand such, but the method it used in this case was in error. All the same, I recognize that we are human. Peter himself approached his position erroneously enough in the presence of Christ himself. Why should I expect the current leadership to be less faulty than the biblical precedents?
See what you have to remember is a Church is a moral institution- when so called "political" issues come up which the Church feels are moral it has no choice but to voice its opinion.
Originally posted by Regret
I understand such, but the method it used in this case was in error. All the same, I recognize that we are human. Peter himself approached his position erroneously enough in the presence of Christ himself. Why should I expect the current leadership to be less faulty than the biblical precedents?
I agree, but no matter how faulty Peter was his position was never put at risk- indeed Jesus prayed for his protection from being "sifted like wheat". A little bit faith in your Church's decisions (no matter how erroneous they may appear) may pay off when it comes to the "Do you love me more than these..." part.