The 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Probably.

The House of Commons; Parliament is way more conservative than our our Congress and House members here in the U.S. but your society seems very liberal, though. So you never know.

The thing is I think America is more racially diverse. Also America to an extent is a country of immigrants so its no suprise that this happened in America rather than Europe.

It would be really hard I think to do this in countries that are not that ethnically diverse such as Norway, Finland etc. I think the next place would be the UK.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The thing is I think America is more racially diverse. Also America to an extent is a country of immigrants so its no suprise that this happened in America rather than Europe.

It would be really hard I think to do this in countries that are not that ethnically diverse such as Norway, Finland etc. I think the next place would be the UK.

You know what though it really hasn't sunk in....I think im dreaming. Did they just elect a black president....damn.

Originally posted by Bardock42
If I may, one of the major points I'd say that Obama as well as McCain would have had as presidents is that it would reset or at least better the foreign relations with the allies of the United States. Bush was vastly unpopular with about everyone in the first world as far as I can tell, and either of the candidates at least had it going for them to seem more honest and less corrupt.

What I think Obama will bring though, is an improvement in the Health Care situation of the US, which is, frankly, to any non-fundamentalist US Conservative, atrocious. I also think he will press for a swifter resolution of the Iraq conflict than either Bush or McCain, which I personally find a good thing. Except for that, I don't like his policies much, but I'd give him some time to show how he handles himself. I do agree though that some of the more extreme Obama = Jesus crap seems unfounded.

Something interesting I read, even though America doesn't have the national heath care, their spending on healthcare is highest in the world.
I read that somewhere, so I can't quote the source and if its reliable.

But I feel the same. I think if Obama has the potential to turn the foreign relations around and let America be seen in better light.
I am not a fan of Joe Biden, however, so I hope cabinet Obama chooses will be wiser on foreign policy than Bush and Clinton era administrations were.
It remains to be seen.

Originally posted by Devil King
Just an aside, who do you think he's thanking when he's thanking "goodness"...even sarcastically?

An abstract moral concept given symbolic form via the collective consciousness of human race?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Something interesting I read, even though America doesn't have the national heath care, their spending on healthcare is highest in the world.
I read that somewhere, so I can't quote the source and if its reliable.

Yes, I read that, too. It's on Wikipedia anyways.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
But I feel the same. I think if Obama has the potential to turn the foreign relations around and let America be seen in better light.
I am not a fan of Joe Biden, however, so I hope cabinet Obama chooses will be wiser on foreign policy than Bush and Clinton era administrations were.
It remains to be seen.

I don't know that much about Biden, but what I have seen in the Democratic race, he seems better than Obama, to me. But, I think we should wait with our evaluation at least until he actually has the position.

Originally posted by Devil King
Personally, I think that the entire media and country making such a huge deal out of him being a black man is indicative of how undead racism really is. Also, the question of his assassination implies another measure of consideration towards racism, even if it isn't meant to be as much. However, his murder would not mean we've never had a black president.

Originally posted by KidRock
I will take an Asian president.

The problem (and this is my observation here so buzz off if you don't like it) is that I've notice people saying:

"Oh, AWESOME! We finally have a Black President"

To which I ponder...what is more important...A President that can lead and help fix the current mess or the President's skin color? Heck! If Regan or Kennedy were to comeback as zombies and try to eat us...I'll vote for those two in less than a minute! That's the guys I want in office.

Set aside the "I have a dream" and give us a "New Deal".

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Originally posted by Devil King
Personally, I think that the entire media and country making such a huge deal out of him being a black man is indicative of how undead racism really is.

I was going to mention something like that. The fact that Obama had to say race doesnt matter indicates that it does, I don't think he actually believes that either.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Because all three of my names are absurdly Italian, I'm obviously Roman Catholic, right?

You must also be a member of the mafia with your guinea charm and olive oil voice.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The problem (and this is my observation here so buzz off if you don't like it) is that I've notice people saying:

"Oh, AWESOME! We finally have a Black President"

To which I ponder...what is more important...A President that can lead and help fix the current mess or the President's skin color? Heck! If Regan or Kennedy were to comeback as zombies and try to eat us...I'll vote for those two in less than a minute! That's the guys I want in office.

Set aside the "I have a dream" and give us a "New Deal".

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

And he will lead and help fix the current mess according to what he's said all along. So be patient and let him take the office first before commenting on not caring that he's black.

But that he's black is significant. It also somewhat says something about the country's current character after everything that happened with race relation in this country.

It's certainly and genuinely changed my view of things even moreso..

And i don't mean to be snide cause we're all Americans. That’s what i see first, but you're not a minority so you wouldn't understand how significant it is to finally have someone that looks like us be president, but it's not more important than his trying to take on cleaning up the nation.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, to be fair both the UK and Germany already had/have female Prime Minister/Chancellor. Germany's largest minority are 3% (~3 million) Turks, England's are 5% South Asian (~3 million)...the US has 40 million blacks. A minority which was there for about 300 years (not just the last 50), it's very different, really.

Originally posted by Bardock42
If I may, one of the major points I'd say that Obama as well as McCain would have had as presidents is that it would reset or at least better the foreign relations with the allies of the United States. Bush was vastly unpopular with about everyone in the first world as far as I can tell, and either of the candidates at least had it going for them to seem more honest and less corrupt.

What I think Obama will bring though, is an improvement in the Health Care situation of the US, which is, frankly, to any non-fundamentalist US Conservative, atrocious. I also think he will press for a swifter resolution of the Iraq conflict than either Bush or McCain, which I personally find a good thing. Except for that, I don't like his policies much, but I'd give him some time to show how he handles himself. I do agree though that some of the more extreme Obama = Jesus crap seems unfounded.

Yeah. I found it funny when the statistics showed majority of retired and elderly voted against Obama, despite the common liberal attitude towards enhancing their health and welfare benefits.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And he will lead and help fix the current mess according to what he's said all along. So be patient and let him take the office first before commenting on not caring that he's black.

But that he's black is significant. It also somewhat says something about the country's current character after everything that happened with race relation in this country.

It's certainly and genuinely changed my view of things even moreso..

And i don't mean to be snide cause we're all Americans. That’s what i see first, but you're not a minority so you wouldn't understand how significant it is to finally have someone that looks like us be president, but it's not more important than his trying to take on cleaning up the nation.

I believe that there may be a fraction of those who voted for Obama did so only because if the colour of his skin, knowing not a great deal, and not showing a great deal of interest into what he is actually saying, what he is standing for etc...

I believe Obama has great potential to be an excellent leader, but people shouldn't assume things will be peacy based soley on the fact that he is black. Obama honeymoon will fade and once it does, people need to be taking interest in ''Now what''.

Besides, he is as much black as he is white.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I believe that there may be a fraction of those who voted for Obama did so only because if the colour of his skin, knowing not a great deal, and not showing a great deal of interest into what he is actually saying, what he is standing for etc...

I believe Obama has great potential to be an excellent leader, but people shouldn't assume things will be peacy based soley on the fact that he is black. Obama honeymoon will fade and once it does, people need to be taking interest in ''Now what''.

Besides, he is as much black as he is white.

I also believe that there were some people who voted for Obama soley because he was black. And that includes Blacks and Whites. But that's because they're ignorant but, that he's black does make it all the more special.

And as far as him doing his job I'm just going on what he's been preaching cause that's all there is for now. We have to just listen to what he's saying to and wait till it's his turn to follow through, and we watch and see. I know I wanna wait and see what he'll do. Then truly comment.

And assuming? You may be mistaking that with being hopeful. And there's nothing wrong with being optimistic that things'll turnout alright..

And if he fails us, well, it's not gonna be anything new. Bush failed us, hard, we'll recover, and we're still here hopeful that the next new leader will do a good job. That's beside that Americans are best known for their resilience or pulling through no matter what.

Nebraska has abolished Affirmative Action via vote.

Hopefully the rest of America follows suit and the "White man holding me down" argument disappears for good.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The problem (and this is my observation here so buzz off if you don't like it) is that I've notice people saying:

"Oh, AWESOME! We finally have a Black President"

To which I ponder...what is more important...A President that can lead and help fix the current mess or the President's skin color? Heck! If Regan or Kennedy were to comeback as zombies and try to eat us...I'll vote for those two in less than a minute! That's the guys I want in office.

Set aside the "I have a dream" and give us a "New Deal".

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Whats your point? That people who are glad that the Presidents black don't care about his policies?

Originally posted by KidRock
Nebraska has abolished Affirmative Action via vote.

Hopefully the rest of America follows suit and the "White man holding me down" argument disappears for good.

My friend if this were the 60s you would still be telling people that they are making excuses.

Obama being elected proves that a black person can become President it doesnt prove that there is no racism. In this country we have had problems with racism within the police force. The police can't arrest you for being black but there is still racism there. So no were not quite there yet.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Obama being elected proves that a black person can become President it doesnt prove that there is no racism.

In this country we have had problems with racism within the police force. The police can't arrest you for being black but there is still racism there. So no were not quite there yet.

We've made progress in this country and the most enormous leap ever with Obama. More enormous that all the progress that's been made in this country as far as race goes, to me. But I don't think we'll ever get there. Like there'll never be such a thing as the u.s. and/or the world being 100% racist free. Rasicm is apart of an inate herd mentality all humans have had since our dawn.

There will always be whites who don't like blacks and blacks whom don't like whites soley because of sink pigment. That's there to stay. But one can move on from it.. And i believe as generations and eras come and go, racism'll be less apparent and less significant but for it to be completely gone 100%?, I don't think so.

It's kinda pointless to speculate about ignorance as a factor in this election since there is no evidence to prove which candidate recieved the tougher end of the deal.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
We've made progress in this country and the most enormous leap ever with Obama. More enormous that all the progress that's been made in this country as far as race goes, to me. But I don't think we'll ever get there. Like there'll never be such a thing as the u.s. and/or the world being 100% racist free. Rasicm is apart of an inate herd mentality all humans have had since our dawn.

There will always be whites who don't like blacks and blacks whom don't like whites soley because of sink pigment. That's there to stay. But one can move on from it.. And i believe as generations and eras come and go, racism'll be less apparent and less significant but for it to be completely gone 100%?, I don't think so.

Well yeah I agree. Im just saying I don't think we should get too complacent....I still can't believe it.

Originally posted by Quark_666
It's kinda pointless to speculate about ignorance as a factor in this election since there is no evidence to prove which candidate recieved the tougher end of the deal.

To an extent I agree but the problem is that there are always people saying that race doesnt matter then something happens that proves them wrong. Its a great milestone but I don't think people should get complacent.