Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
1) Ventress had no way to escape. Dooku slambed her4) He defeated Kar Vastor with the force.
by slamming a sharp shield in his chest.. he didn't use any force powers to hurt him. he used tk to throw a shield at him and vastor wasn't blocking..
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
"Galen Marek FTW.
He lasted the longest against a head-on blast of lightning from Sidious."
No Luke lasted the longest. without blocking..
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
We see dooku taking out more force users than Sidious, so i guess he is more powerful.
and we see Mace taking out more droids than we see Sidious taking out.. so what does that mean?? nothing! this was your logic.. not mine!
My argument how much easier Dooku dominates with the Force the 2 opponents that both Mace and Dooku have faced.. that is Ventress and Bulq.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Did you read my other post where i quoted the directer of CW, stating that Windu was second to Yoda in terms of power..
so that would make Sidious no. 3 right?? use logic.. hes talking about jedis, not Sith Lords.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Dooku greatly hints that Sidious took him out with the force the same way the same way Dooku did Ventress. So, again, would that make Sidious greater than Yoda, since Yoda did not take Dooku out the the force..
"Greatly hints" is not a cannon source. we never saw exactly what happened there. but of course Sidious is Dookus superior in the Force.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Also GL says you have to be either Yoda or Windu to even compete with Sidious. Oh yeah and a full potential Anakin...
Again GL was talking about JEDIS who could have challenged Sidious. Dooku was a Sith and already dead at that point. (Lucas said it in reference to why the other 3 jedis got cut down soooo easily by Sidious.)
Not to mention Vapaad helps Mace to match Sidious in Speed and Power (but only while fighting HIM) so bad A>B>C argument there.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[B]and we see Mace taking out more droids than we see Sidious taking out.. so what does that mean?? nothing! this was your logic.. not mine!
Not quite i was using your own logic against you. Show where i said Mace taking out droids make him greater than Dooku.
My argument how much easier Dooku dominates with the Force the 2 opponents that both Mace and Dooku have faced.. that is Ventress and Bulq.
Ventress was not fighting Dooku. She did not even know he was going to attack her.
so that would make Sidious no. 3 right?? use logic.. hes talking about jedis, not Sith Lords.
No not quite. Sidious and Yoda were pretty much equals, so that would still make Windu number two, if Sidious and Yoda were both number 1. I say you use logic. Besides at that time they were not giving too much info on Sidious, so his power was pretty much unknown.
"Greatly hints" is not a cannon source. we never saw exactly what happened there. but of course Sidious is Dookus superior in the Force.Who else was Dooku refering to? Again you are the one that needs to use logic.
Again GL was talking about JEDIS who could have challenged Sidious. Dooku was a Sith and already dead at that point. (Lucas said it in reference to why the other 3 jedis got cut down soooo easily by Sidious.)He also said Anakin, who was a sith at the time, so he was not only refering to jedi. He said if Anakin would not have been burned at mustafar, and at that time Anakin was a dark side user.
Not to mention Vapaad helps Mace to match Sidious in Speed and Power (but only while fighting HIM) so bad A>B>C argument there.
I just gave proof that says Windu was second most powerful, and people still argue, and say he was only refering to jedi, without proof. I am sure if they were talking about jedi only they would have said it to prevent fans from getting confused.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66Prove it. Canon source, because clearly logic doesn't cut it.
No not quite. Sidious and Yoda were pretty much equals,
so that would still make Windu number two, if Sidious and Yoda were both number 1.You can't have two number ones, smartass.
Tell you what; go find the actual quote - in context - and post it here. Then we can all look at it together and laugh in your face.
I say you use logic.I hope your keyboard fails...
Besides at that time they were not giving too much info on Sidious, so his power was pretty much unknown.So the director was fallible.
And again, prove that he has any canon authority.
Who else was Dooku refering to? Again you are the one that needs to use logic.Double standards, too? Oh, wow.
He also said Anakin, who was a sith at the time, so he was not only refering to jedi. He said if Anakin would not have been burned at mustafar, and at that time Anakin was a dark side user.He didn't say Anakin. Don't lie.
I just gave proof that says Windu was second most powerful, and people still argue, and say he was only refering to jedi, without proof. I am sure if they were talking about jedi only they would have said it to prevent fans from getting confused.They thought fans would be bright enough to get the actual meaning. Clearly, they weren't counting on you.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Ventress was not fighting Dooku. She did not even know he was going to attack her.
is there any proof at all she wasnt trying to resist or fight back?? no. because it really wuldnt matter.. she was completely paralyzed and in pain, so theres nothing she could do.
also Obi1 is at least as powerful as Ventress in the Force, and Dooku also paralyzed and Force choked him with a simple flick of the wrist mid saber fight. hes also done the same to Quinlan Vos, whose also a formidable opponent. and rendered Bulq and Ventress unconcious with a simple balst of his force lightning.
Mace has fought both Ventress and Bulq and if he was in Dookus league with the Force then he would have left them both unconcious with ease, and neither of them would have escaped him.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No not quite. Sidious and Yoda were pretty much equals, so that would still make Windu number two, if Sidious and Yoda were both number 1. I say you use logic.
ok simple maths for you. If Yoda and Sidious are both exactly jointly no.1's then the next most powerful is the THIRD most powerful, not second. because he has 2 people above him.
besides the quote you gave was Mace was second after Yoda. no mention of Sidious there, therfore Sith Lords were clearly not included in that statement unless your saying Sidious is less powerful than both Yoda and Mace.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Besides at that time they were not giving too much info on Sidious, so his power was pretty much unknown...
We also were not aware at the time that Dooku was SO Powerful in the Force that he could take out Obi-Wan Kenobi in his Prime with a simple flick of the wrist. And since then weve learned (in the new animated Clone Wars) that Obi-Wan himself was Awsome with the Force, easily Force Pushing Destroyer Droids around and taking out a small army of droids with the Force alone.
Besides weve all had a good idea since ROTJ about how powerful Sidious is. More so than the info we had on Mace.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Who else was Dooku refering to? Again you are the one that needs to use logic....
yes but we didnt see it happen. Its just a hint. For all we know Dooku might have been saying that to Ventress to intimidate her about HOw Much more Powerful Dooku's Sith Master is. Also iv never doubted Sidious being considerably more powerful than Dooku.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
He also said Anakin, who was a sith at the time, so he was not only refering to jedi. He said if Anakin would not have been burned at mustafar, and at that time Anakin was a dark side user.....
Actually Anakin was still a Jedi until after that fight. Not that it matters because Dooku was long dead.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I just gave proof that says Windu was second most powerful.
ah yes your amazing proof where in the whole Universe Mace is no.2 only to Yoda. So where does that leave Sidious again??
Originally posted by Faunus
Prove it. Canon source, because clearly logic doesn't cut it.
You are being ridiculus. They stalemated during there battle.
Why should i even bring out a canon source. I did so for Windu, but you still argue.
You can't have two number ones, smartass.
Sure you can. Why can't you. There is: Yoda and Sidious.
Tell you what; go find the actual quote - in context - and post it here. Then we can all look at it together and laugh in your face.
Wow that is your defense? How about you find a quote.
I hope your keyboard fails...I bet you do.
So the director was fallible.
Oh yeah, because Faunus don't agree, he was fallible.
And again, prove that he has any canon authority.Your sarcasm is not helping your arguement.
Double standards, too? Oh, wow.No comment for stupidity.He didn't say Anakin. Don't lie.
They thought fans would be bright enough to get the actual meaning. Clearly, they weren't counting on you.
So then maybe Sidious being the most powerful can mean position in authority.
I gave quotes regarding how powerful Mace was. You gave me one about Dooku being one of the most promising. How about i use your arguement against you, and say promising can mean anything.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
is there any proof at all she wasnt trying to resist or fight back?? no. because it really wuldnt matter.. she was completely paralyzed and in pain, so theres nothing she could do.
Exactly it was too late for her to fight back. It would be kinda like if someone just came up to me unsuspectedly and socked the shit out of me, chances are i would be knocked unconscience. That does not mean he would be able to do the same if i had my guard and defenses up.
also Obi1 is at least as powerful as Ventress in the Force, and Dooku also paralyzed and Force choked him with a simple flick of the wrist mid saber fight. hes also done the same to Quinlan Vos, whose also a formidable opponent. and rendered Bulq and Ventress unconcious with a simple balst of his force lightning.If Obi Wan was on Dantooine, and was faced with over a thousand droids and a huge siesmic take, that was stomping huge craters on the planet, what do you think would happen. I know what you are going to say "This ain't Obi Wan vs Windu", but please just answer the question.
Mace has fought both Ventress and Bulq and if he was in Dookus league with the Force then he would have left them both unconcious with ease, and neither of them would have escaped him.Mace did not use the force against them the way Dooku did.
That is like saying Yoda was able to knock Sidious on his ass, but not Dooku. Yoda did not really use the force against Dooku, just like Mace didn't against Ventress.
I can also easily say Anakin was able to kill Dooku, but Yoda wasn't, so that means Anakin is better.
Ventress was an apprentice to Dooku. You rarely see an apprentice fight there master until they are ready. Just like Palpatine knocked Vader hand off at one point, but Vader did nothing back.
ok simple maths for you. If Yoda and Sidious are both exactly jointly no.1's then the next most powerful is the THIRD most powerful, not second. because he has 2 people above him.Honestly, i am bad at math, but not as bad as you it seems. If Sidious and Yoda are both number 1, where does two fall in? Are you saying there is no two, it goes 1 to 3? There has to be a number 2, since both Yoda and Sidious are 1.
besides the quote you gave was Mace was second after Yoda. no mention of Sidious there, therfore Sith Lords were clearly not included in that statement unless your saying Sidious is less powerful than both Yoda and Mace.
We also were not aware at the time that Dooku was SO Powerful in the Force that he could take out Obi-Wan Kenobi in his Prime with a simple flick of the wrist. And since then weve learned (in the new animated Clone Wars) that Obi-Wan himself was Awsome with the Force, easily Force Pushing Destroyer Droids around and taking out a small army of droids with the Force alone.We knew just as much about Dooku as we did Windu.
In the CW movie we see Obi Wan and Anakin both retreat from a smaller army than Windu took out. So that means the army Windu took out is superior to just Obi Wan, thus making Windu's feat a lot harder than Dooku's.
Besides weve all had a good idea since ROTJ about how powerful Sidious is. More so than the info we had on Mace.
Yeah but some did not know that Sidious and Palpatine were one in the same, so they did not give out to much info on him. My cousin use to argue that Palpatine was a secret apprentice to Sidious. He was kinda clueless.
yes but we didnt see it happen. Its just a hint. For all we know Dooku might have been saying that to Ventress to intimidate her about HOw Much more Powerful Dooku's Sith Master is. Also iv never doubted Sidious being considerably more powerful than Dooku.Than why all the hints? If he was trying to make Ventress fear his master, why didn't he just come out and say his master did the same thing?
Do you think Dooku was lying and making Sidious out to be more powerful than he is?
Actually Anakin was still a Jedi until after that fight. Not that it matters because Dooku was long dead.He was not no jedi.
ah yes your amazing proof where in the whole Universe Mace is no.2 only to Yoda. So where does that leave Sidious again??It leaves him tied with Yoda, thus making him number one also. Duh! Also he was an unknown at the time.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66Mace defeated Sidious. He is by no means the Sith Lord's equal.
You are being ridiculus. They stalemated during there battle.
Why should i even bring out a canon source. I did so for Windu, but you still argue.Because you're trying to apply said source in a horrendously fallacious manner.
Sure you can. Why can't you. There is: Yoda and Sidious.And one needs to be better than the other. Not to mention that, as sigma already pointed out, anyone directly under two "equals" would be third, anyway.
You fail.
Wow that is your defense? How about you find a quote.You don't get to evade the point. You've tried to throw that quote around, so go find it, and post it here. I've never seen it, and I'm not taking you on your word.
I bet you do.Good one.
Oh yeah, because Faunus don't agree, he was fallible.No; according to you, the director's supposed statement can be attributed to Sith as well because there "wasn't enough information" on Sidious. Ignorance would make him fallible.
Your sarcasm is not helping your arguement.It's not sarcasm, dipshit. Prove the director has canon authority.
No comment for stupidity.I lol'd.
You used a double-standard based on garbage logic, I called you out on it. You lied, I called you out on it.
So then maybe Sidious being the most powerful can mean position in authority.... Wow.
I gave quotes regarding how powerful Mace was.No, you said the director of the CWC - whose canon authority is dubious - said something. You did not provide the actual quote.
You gave me one about Dooku being one of the most promising. How about i use your arguement against you, and say promising can mean anything.Good luck, because Yoda also called Dooku the "strongest."
Not to mention that I didn't even bring that quote up. Get your facts straight.
Originally posted by Gaevus Mesias
oy vei, guys, save Mace & Dooku 4 a whole nother thread, Anakin vs. Starkiller!!!!!!
A thread is an organic creation- it can change its priorities based on what the posters want to talk about. If we all decided to talk about puppies, or do another 40 page current events thread, there would be little you could do to stop us. The original question has been answered: Starkiller beats Anakin. Nothing more needs to be said.
(The OP is more of a guideline anyway.)
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