Originally posted by jimBOFH
Goku is not the perfect guy that he's made out to be- he's got good intentions, but have you ever heard the phrase "The road to hell is paved with good intentions?"
Anyway, here's my take on him- on the positive side, he's friendly, merciful, generous and will never knowingly do anything evil or that hurts others. He's also innocent- but innocence isn't the same as being good. Innocence is the lack of knowledge, and therefore temptation. It's like saying that lack of fear is the same thing as courage- it isn't. Courage is standing up to fear, Fearlessness is having no fear to begin with. Innocence is not being aware of temptation- virtue is being fully aware of it and resisting.
So Goku is innocent, but in some ways this actually makes him a worse person. At the beginning of Dragonball, Goku is so innocent that he regularly gropes people to determine their gender- compared to Oolong who is most definitely not innocent, but rarely gropes people. It's the same sort of thing throughout his life. We can't blame Goku for being innocent- but that doesn't mean that it's always a good thing.
This is why I think Piccolo and Vegeta are more believable, and admirable characters- they choose to be good, whereas it's hard-wired in to Goku to be "innocent".
Brilliant post, I think that pretty much sums up Goku as a parent. Basically, Goku is the Peter Griffin of anime: deep down a good person, but too stupid and careless to actually be able to raise a child properly. I don't think there is anything I could add that hasn't already been posted by a dozen people already. Goku is simply too much of a child him self to raise a child, just like Micheal Jackson 😛
Originally posted by BradBalboa
Goku is a awsome fater to his sons, hes not always there for te litle things but the guy has to sae the universe!!...like superman, he has to ut his responsibility to the people before the things he wants!! Gohan wud often aspire to be like his fater, i think many of us a hav..
This is true!! I know I've always wanted to be like him! His personality is really great! He's compassionate even to his greatest enemies like Frieza, Cell and Majin Buu. He has a great light in him that shines as great as his Super Saiyan Transformations!!!
Originally posted by T-Wrecks
Brilliant post, I think that pretty much sums up Goku as a parent. Basically, Goku is the Peter Griffin of anime: deep down a good person, but too stupid and careless to actually be able to raise a child properly. I don't think there is anything I could add that hasn't already been posted by a dozen people already. Goku is simply too much of a child him self to raise a child, just like Micheal Jackson 😛
I can go along with the idea of him being childlike but I don't know about Peter Griffin, Goku's better than that.
Originally posted by atv2
For #7, he was unaware of his strength. He didn't mean to put that much stength into that hit. Now he has been seen hitting Gohan, when Gohan was going to challenge Cell recklessly after Piccolo took a blast to his chest, Goku chose to punch Gohan to keep him from going to Cell so he didnt get himself killed.
Gohan went to Namek with Krillin and Bulma. Goku went to Namek by himself. Not sure about Gohan missing school, the world was in trouble and the force was powerful enough the world to not have anything. The world was saved and Gohan did live on to be a scholar. Goku did his part well as a father to them because fathers will put their lives on the line to save their children. When Vegeta and Frieza offered him a position to work with them promising him the world, Goku declined them both and said he had everything a man could want, his family!!!! If you're referring to the time of DeadZone, Gohan was captured by Garlic's Jr's henchmen and they manipulated Gohan into drinking.
Goku is a good father. He made the right decision to get married before he had children and he set the example for Gohan and Goten(Although Goten got too focused into dating women instead of training, but still he didn't have anything and we've yet to know what he did during the hundred year period.) Vegeta with his prince status, had Trunks out of wedlock. In the uncut versions of DBZ, Bulma smokes and drinks. She may be one of the biggest brains in working with gadgets but she doesn't have sense to lay off drinking and tobacco use. Chi Chi on the otherhand regardless of the version, remained the strong healthy mother figure. Same thing goes for Goku.
As I mentioned before with Goku having children with ChiChi after their marriage, Gohan followed the example and had pan after his marriage with Videl. Now Hercule/Mr.Satan was selfish, he would want to take the credit of others for the sake of his popularity. Goku didn't seek to be popular, he cared for the people around him and gave his life so they could live!!!
This isn't an arguement on whether or bot goku is a good person, but a good father. Vegeta may have not been the nicer father but he was always there for trunks, even going to the park with him after he beat him to pulp. Goku on the other hand was never there unless it had something to do with fighting. He may have been the nicer of the two but all he ever did was shurk his parental duties.
Goku won't win father of the year, but he did try and do right by his son.
Even if he wasn't dead, he's not the type to settle down though.. I doubt he'd just stay at home, over adventuring all the time. But does that make one a bad father? A lot of fathers either work jobs that take them away from home, or do a lot of traveling.. That's just how it is, in some families.
People have jobs that keep them from tgeir families, but goku just doesn't want to be with them.
Hey goku, you just defeated the most powerful tyrant in the universe. Want to come home now.
Nope. Aliens teaching me how to teleport.
We jusy got dragon balls that can bring people back more then once. Want to come be with your son and pregnant wife?
Nope. Fighting dead people for fun.
Now that the world can be at peace, want to spend time with kids, wife, and grandchild?
Nope. Training someone who tried to kill me in a past life.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
But what is worse? Making a few bad choices but still try to raise your kid or being a nice person but decide you have better things to do than provide for your family.
Hmmm.....Hard to say. Trunks got lucky because he grew up doing well but sometimes staying with someone who makes bad choices can be tormenting and produce unhealthy relationships.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
This isn't an arguement on whether or bot goku is a good person, but a good father. Vegeta may have not been the nicer father but he was always there for trunks, even going to the park with him after he beat him to pulp. Goku on the other hand was never there unless it had something to do with fighting. He may have been the nicer of the two but all he ever did was shurk his parental duties.
Now wait a minute. The children are impacted by the character of their parents. He may not have been present all of the time but when he was around there was power in it. His children had aspiration for him. Goku and Gohan had some really good moments preparing for the androids. Goku was protective of Gohan when Gohan was going to recklessly take on Cell after Piccolo was shot. He had good moments with Gohan during the training in the hyperbolic time chamber and before the Cell games. During the Cell games, Goku had faith in Gohan reaching SSJ2 and defeating Cell. After Cell lost 18 and reverted to his 2nd form and resorted to blowing up the planet, Goku took the blast although King Kai, Gregory and Bubbles went with him( Honestly Goku should have blasted him to Hell and called it day.) Vegeta during the time they fought Kid Buu self consciously admitted to Goku being the better person saying that his power comes from fighting for the people he cares about and not his selfishness. The traits that Goku demonstated had great impact on Gohan and Goten.
Originally posted by atv2
Hmmm.....Hard to say. Trunks got lucky because he grew up doing well but sometimes staying with someone who makes bad choices can be tormenting and produce unhealthy relationships.
Now I know Movie 8 is not canonical by any stretch of imagination but Broly lived his life being used by his father. Yeah his father was there but the only thing Paragus lusted after is his power so he could conquer the universe. It wasn't a good development and Broly went against his father alot. He punched out Paragus' eye and ended up killling him during the end of that movie. Not a good relationship to have with children. They grow up hating the father. Gohan and Goten had it different. Turles(Movie 3), although he resembled Goku he wanted to use Gohan for his own selfish reasons.