Superman vs Magneto: Who can lift more weight?

Originally posted by Mindset
I'd put A/S above him at least in strength.

Originally posted by spidey-dude
what if it was a tug awar between magneto and superman using an adamantium pole ? who would win there ?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Just like Xavier is Omega, so is Magnus.

I'm sorry where was Xavier stated to be omega? 😬

Originally posted by Enyalus
And uh, I wasn't aware Magneto got any "upgrades." Omega is Omega is Omega. He was Omega when lifting Asteroid M back in 1964 and is now, too.

EDIT: Hm...Forgot about The Collective arc. Wonder if he kept that boost.

Mangeto has not been listed as an Omega-level mutant

He didn't, Magneto currently is completly depowered.

Originally posted by Galan007
in pure strength, i'd agree. hell, i might even place A/S higher in a few other categories as well. but overall he lacks sufficient feats to place him over mainstream supes, imo.

Looked like he was struggling with that 200 quintillion tons, one-handed. Knees were bent, veins were popping out, and he was making that ridiculous "Nggh!" noise or whatever. So 400 quintillion tons should be about his limit, reasonably. Impressive, yeah.

But Current Supes supported the Earth with the help of Diana and J'onn. And that weighs 6.4 sextillion tons (or around there). Split three ways evenly, and that's a helluva lot more than 400 quintillion.

And then you've got that whole nonsense about him dying from a sunamp that lasted just a few minutes - which is ridiculous. We all know current Supes can last directly in the sun for several hours minimum. That seems to indicate AS Supes' cellular structure is weaker than Current.

Originally posted by Galan007
'amp' superman up with some pink kryptonite, and i bet he's damn good at clutching a long, smooth, shaft-like object. none

😆

Pink Kryptonite...why not? They've got that Silver Kryptonite which gets Supes high, apparently.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Magnetism isn't something that has a limit to what it can lift, the stronger the magnet, the more it lifts, there is no cut off.

Unless Magneto is an infinitely large magnet, no, there are limits.

For Magneto to generate or control magnetic fields, it requires energy.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader

Magneto could lift multiple planet sized metal objects thanks to his control over this force.

Well, actually according to you, he could lift an infinitely large amount of metals.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Supes, unfortunately, is limited by his tissues' upper limit. Unless he sundipped to become stronger he has a limit to his strength.

Wow, I'm fascinated by your knowledge of Kryptonian physiology. Tell me how sundipping enhances his "tissue" strength?

Originally posted by -K-M-
I'm sorry where was Xavier stated to be omega? 😬

Mangeto has not been listed as an Omega-level mutant

He didn't, Magneto currently is completly depowered.

Thanks.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I'm sorry where was Xavier stated to be omega? 😬

Mangeto has not been listed as an Omega-level mutant

He didn't, Magneto currently is completly depowered.

Thanks.

He was confusing me.

Originally posted by -K-M-

Mangeto has not been listed as an Omega-level mutant

He didn't, Magneto currently is completly depowered.

Oh boy, I wasn't aware of that either, but I decided to take the fanboy's word for it. Lesson Learned.

Originally posted by spidey-dude
what if it was a tug awar between magneto and superman using an adamantium pole ? who would win there ?

Supes would probably win a tag of war, simply because I think he can exert a force with his strength greater than the electro magnetic force Magneto would generate.

As far as the topic is concerned it depends, I think Supes has more power but my theory is that Magneto with his power can create "bridges" OR "conveyer belts" of energy to move these masses along which means he could probably move more weights than Supes at one time, however Supes can push or pull these masses out of those electro magnetic fields with his strength.

So all in all I think Mag can lift more stuff even though Supes has more power (he is limited by the fact that he can't operate on them remotely).

Sorry for the double post.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Mangeto has not been listed as an Omega-level mutant

No, but it's been stated more than once on panel that his potential is practically limitless. During House of M (pre Wanda warp), for instance. Excalibur #11, IIRC.

It's certainly never stated that he was an Alpha-level.

He didn't, Magneto currently is completly depowered.

Gotcha.

Originally posted by Allankles
Supes would probably win a tag of war, simply because I think he can exert a force with his strength greater than the electro magnetic force Magneto would generate.

Magneto could cheat and simply fling Supes away by toying with his invulnerability aura (which is a bioelectric field).

Originally posted by Enyalus
No, but it's been stated more than once on panel that his potential is practically limitless. During House of M (pre Wanda warp), for instance. Excalibur #11, IIRC.

It's certainly never stated that he was an Alpha-level.[/B]

They said the same thing about Madison Jeffires, but he is not an Omega level mutant.

I think he was, same with the Professor 😬 but regardless you can't call him Omega when he was never stated to be such same with the Professor

Originally posted by -K-M-
I think he was, same with the Professor 😬 but regardless you can't call him Omega when he was never stated to be such same with the Professor

Meh. "Most powerful telepath on the planet." Less powerful mutants have omega status. *shrug*

Originally posted by Enyalus
Meh. "Most powerful telepath on the planet." Less powerful mutants have omega status. *shrug*

That doesn't have to do with anything with mutant clasifications. Hell Madison Jeffries is the most powerful technomorph on the planet but he is not an omega level mutant.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Magneto could cheat and simply fling Supes away by toying with his invulnerability aura (which is a bioelectric field).

I'm not sure it is in the spectrum Mag controls and that would be cheating regardless.

I've never been able to get a good measure on Magneto's strength. He doesn't usually lift things and they do have to be made of metal for him to do it. Most genuine class 100 characters have maybe one rare planet-moving level feat each, right? If Magneto ever did anything at that par then I guess I could say he's about as strong as Thor or maybe the Hulk. Well, those guys on a good day, anyways.

Originally posted by Allankles
I'm not sure it is in the spectrum Mag controls and that would be cheating regardless.

Bioelectricity = electricity = part of the electromagnetic spectrum, thus subject to Magneto's will.

But yes, that would be cheating. Then again, he's a villain and they tend not to play by the rules. 😉

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Magneto would win this. While Superman is easily one of the physically strongest beings in the DC universe, and he has many ridiculous feats of strength, Magneto's power has no limits to what it can lift. Magnetism isn't something that has a limit to what it can lift, the stronger the magnet, the more it lifts, there is no cut off. Magneto could lift multiple planet sized metal objects thanks to his control over this force.

Supes, unfortunately, is limited by his tissues' upper limit. Unless he sundipped to become stronger he has a limit to his strength.

In our real universe, the strongest possible magnetic fields, have been theorized to be somewhere between 10^43 and 10^53 Gauss. Anything greater than that causes the creation of a magnetically neutral object it seems, and the exact calculable value is dependent upon which version of quantum mechanics or its successor proves true.

In a hypothetical fictional universe, like the Marvel universe, in order for Magneto to generate an infinitely large magnetic field, since magnetic fields are generated by moving electrons (as opposed to electric fields which are generated by the existence of nonzero electric charge), Magneto would have to have access to one or more electrons moving at an infinte velocity in some capacity)

If is far more likely that Magneto manipulates magnetic fields, rather than creates them.

Superman wins this on demonstrated feats.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Bioelectricity = electricity = part of the electromagnetic spectrum, thus subject to Magneto's will.

But yes, that would be cheating. Then again, he's a villain and they tend not to play by the rules. 😉

electricity is not part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

The electromagnetic force is carried by variations on the photon, essentially the many wavelengths and frequencies of light.

Electricity is a phenomenum generated by moving electrons.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
electricity is not part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

The electromagnetic force is carried by variations on the photon, essentially the many wavelengths and frequencies of light.

Electricity is a phenomenum generated by moving electrons.

Electric fields are generated by magnetic fields, and vice versa, perpetually. Has to do with the vibrations of the electrons, yes. Bioelectricity is no different. It's all a form of radiation. It's all governed by the electromagnetic force.

BTW, your explanation to fascistcrusader - very cool. 👆