Superman vs Magneto: Who can lift more weight?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Electric fields are generated by magnetic fields, and vice versa, perpetually. Has to do with the vibrations of the electrons, yes. Bioelectricity is no different. It's all a form of radiation. It's all governed by the electromagnetic force.

BTW, your explanation to fascistcrusader - very cool. 👆

Electric fields can be generated by magnetic fields, and vice versa, but that is not always the case.

Esssentially to simplify..

Electric fields arise from the presence of non zero charge in free space, and have a valuation that has nothing to do with the valuation for any motion that the bodies generating the charge possess.

A magnetic field is generated by the movement of charge through free space.

An electromagnetic field is what happens when one takes into account the superposition of the electric and magnetic fields in a given area of freespace.

The electromagnetic force refers to the force of attractiveness or repulsiveness between objects with charge.

The electromagnetic spectrum refers to the waveforms which are essentially variations on the wavelength and frequency of photons, which are objects that have no charge, such as gamma rays, xrays, light, photons, etc.

The best way to think of the connection between the two is that electromagnetic phenomena often cause releases of energy via the electromagnetic spectrum. But the spectrum itself has nothing directly to do with the electromagnetic force.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
The best way to think of the connection between the two is that electromagnetic phenomena often cause releases of energy via the electromagnetic spectrum. But the spectrum itself has nothing directly to do with the electromagnetic force.

This makes sense. Good knowledge to have. Thanks.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Electric fields can be generated by magnetic fields, and vice versa, but that is not always the case.

Esssentially to simplify..

Electric fields arise from the presence of non zero charge in free space, and have a valuation that has nothing to do with the valuation for any motion that the bodies generating the charge possess.

A magnetic field is generated by the movement of charge through free space.

An electromagnetic field is what happens when one takes into account the superposition of the electric and magnetic fields in a given area of freespace.

The electromagnetic force refers to the force of attractiveness or repulsiveness between objects with charge.

The electromagnetic spectrum refers to the waveforms which are essentially variations on the wavelength and frequency of photons, which are objects that have no charge, such as gamma rays, xrays, light, photons, etc.

The best way to think of the connection between the two is that electromagnetic phenomena often cause releases of energy via the electromagnetic spectrum. But the spectrum itself has nothing directly to do with the electromagnetic force.

So Supes Bio electric field can't be manipulated by Magneto unless it also generates a magnetic field? 😎 Good to know.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
electricity is not part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

The electromagnetic force is carried by variations on the photon, essentially the many wavelengths and frequencies of light.

Electricity is a phenomenum generated by moving electrons.

Well done, well done.

I was going to call him BS on it, but I didn't have this level of knowledge in physics/magnetism. Good work. Put the BS'ers to shame.

You remind me of this dude on here Spetznaz. 🙂

Magneto is an omega-level mutant.

Superman wins.

Where is it stated?

Hey wanna hear a joke?

Two guys walk into a bar. One is a German, the other a Jew.
Magneto can lift more than Superman.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Just like Xavier is Omega, so is Magnus.

Neither Xavier or Magneto are Omega mutants. Get that shit out of your head.

Also; Superman wins this competition.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Looked like he was struggling with that 200 quintillion tons, one-handed. Knees were bent, veins were popping out, and he was making that ridiculous "Nggh!" noise or whatever. So 400 quintillion tons should be about his limit, reasonably. Impressive, yeah.

secondly, it was only when A/S extended his arm and overloaded/destroyed the 200 quintillion ton machine (with one arm lol) that he made any noise at all. and contrary to what you stated, the only sound he made was "Nn!":

so you can call that "struggling" if you like, but i highly disagree. anyhow, despite that enormous weight, they had still not found an upper limit to superman's strength. however, if he was pissed, and actually using both arms (lol) it should logically be over 400 quintillion tons, i'd guess.

Originally posted by Enyalus
But Current Supes supported the Earth with the help of Diana and J'onn. And that weighs 6.4 sextillion tons (or around there). Split three ways evenly, and that's a helluva lot more than 400 quintillion.

Originally posted by Enyalus
And then you've got that whole nonsense about him dying from a sunamp that lasted just a few minutes - which is ridiculous. We all know current Supes can last directly in the sun for several hours minimum. That seems to indicate AS Supes' cellular structure is weaker than Current.

anywho, all-star's stay in the sun was actually quite a durability feat. why? because according to jimmy, 1 second in the sun = the equivalent of 100 billion h-bombs exploding in your face. so equate that figure to the minutes superman spent there, and it's quite something:

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especially when we go back to the h/p arc, in which a MB-amped mainstream superman was, for all intents and purposes, owned by a force equal to a mere one million nuclear blasts:

meh, srug.

Originally posted by Enyalus
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Pink Kryptonite...why not?

Originally posted by Galan007
first off, A/S was not struggling with said weight. all we see is a vein slightly bulging from his neck. hell, a vein bulges from my neck when i yawn. meh.

secondly, it was only when A/S extended his arm and overloaded/destroyed the 200 quintillion ton machine (with one arm lol) that he made any noise at all. and contrary to what you stated, the only sound he made was "Nn!":

so you can call that "struggling" if you like, but i highly disagree. anyhow, despite that enormous weight, they had still not found an upper limit to superman's strength. however, if he was pissed, and actually using both arms (lol) it should logically be over 400 quintillion tons, i'd guess.

3 heroes pulling traction on earth until they reset it's orbit isn't the same as if they lifted that much weight over their heads.... to me at least.

when has mainstream superman spent several hours in the sun? i'm trying to think of an instance.. umm

anywho, all-star's stay in the sun was actually quite a durability feat. why? because according to jimmy, 1 second in the sun = the equivalent of 100 billion h-bombs exploding in your face. so equate that figure to the minutes superman spent there, and it's quite something:

----

especially when we go back to the h/p arc, in which a MB-amped mainstream superman was, for all intents and purposes, owned by a force equal to a mere one million nuclear blasts:

meh, srug.

pink k-nite is REAL!!!:

Originally posted by Galan007
first off, A/S was not struggling with said weight. all we see is a vein slightly bulging from his neck. hell, a vein bulges from my neck when i yawn. meh.

secondly, it was only when A/S extended his arm and overloaded/destroyed the 200 quintillion ton machine (with one arm lol) that he made any noise at all. and contrary to what you stated, the only sound he made was "Nn!":

so you can call that "struggling" if you like, but i highly disagree. anyhow, despite that enormous weight, they had still not found an upper limit to superman's strength. however, if he was pissed, and actually using both arms (lol) it should logically be over 400 quintillion tons, i'd guess.
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Now that you mentioned it, this is the first time that I noticed it wasn't the difficulty in sustaining the weight that made him say 'Nn', it was him overpowering the machine (or whatever he did). And yeah, that veign bulging from his neck doesn't really mean much.

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LoL@Fruity Supes

Originally posted by Galan007
first off, A/S was not struggling with said weight. all we see is a vein slightly bulging from his neck. hell, a vein bulges from my neck when i yawn. meh.

secondly, it was only when A/S extended his arm and overloaded/destroyed the 200 quintillion ton machine (with one arm lol) that he made any noise at all. and contrary to what you stated, the only sound he made was "Nn!":

Hmmm...I may concede that point. 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
so you can call that "struggling" if you like, but i highly disagree. anyhow, despite that enormous weight, they had still not found an upper limit to superman's strength. however, if he was pissed, and actually using both arms (lol) it should logically be over 400 quintillion tons, i'd guess.

Meh, yeah. A little over 400 QT would've been my estimate, too.

Originally posted by Galan007
when has mainstream superman spent several hours in the sun? i'm trying to think of an instance.. umm

Shaddup! 😠

In OWAW though he spends several minutes inside the sun. I know he goes crazy, but he doesn't die from the exposure. And in Batman/Superman being close to the sun (like AS Supes was) for a few seconds gave him enough strength to make DS look like a child and shatter his arm. I know there are more instances of sunamping, but meh.

Originally posted by Galan007
anywho, all-star's stay in the sun was actually quite a durability feat. why? because according to jimmy, 1 second in the sun = the equivalent of 100 billion h-bombs exploding in your face. so equate that figure to the minutes superman spent there, and it's quite something:

Except he wasn't actually in the sun...just skimming its surface. And it's his freakin' power source. He gets stronger the more solar energy he absorbs...so of course his durability is also going to increase.

Originally posted by Galan007
especially when we go back to the h/p arc, in which a MB-amped mainstream superman was, for all intents and purposes, owned by a force equal to a mere one million nuclear blasts:

It helps that DD was kicking his ass prior to that and thus his durability was already shot. And...that was in 1994. You get no points for bringing that one up. 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
pink k-nite is REAL!!!:

...Dude...

That's highly disturbing. Does Avlon know about this?

Originally posted by Allankles
So Supes Bio electric field can't be manipulated by Magneto unless it also generates a magnetic field? 😎 Good to know.

Electric fields generate magnetic fields. If you want, I can pull quotes from my Inquiry to Physics college-level textbook.

Originally posted by Placidity
I was going to call him BS on it, but I didn't have this level of knowledge in physics/magnetism. Good work. Put the BS'ers to shame.

It would help if you knew anything about what Magneto could do. In the Planet X storyline (New X-Men #148, I believe), he tells Xavier that he's going to reverse the magnetic poles of the Earth. North pole becomes South pole, and vice versa. That is the level of power he has over magnetic and electric fields. Not simply the electromagnetic spectrum.

Originally posted by Enyalus
In OWAW though he spends several minutes inside the sun. I know he goes crazy, but he doesn't die from the exposure. And in Batman/Superman being close to the sun (like AS Supes was) for a few seconds gave him enough strength to make DS look like a child and shatter his arm. I know there are more instances of sunamping, but meh.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Except he wasn't actually in the sun...just skimming its surface. And it's his freakin' power source. He gets stronger the more solar energy he absorbs...so of course his durability is also going to increase.

Originally posted by Enyalus
It helps that DD was kicking his ass prior to that and thus his durability was already shot. And...that was in 1994. You get no points for bringing that one up. 😛

Originally posted by Enyalus
...Dude...

That's highly disturbing. Does Avlon know about this?

Originally posted by Galan007
i know superman has sunamped, but you said he is capable of doing so for "several hours." i was just curious if that number came from somewhere, or if it was a guess-timate..

Yeah, it was a guesstimate. Although, if I wanted to be technical...853rd century Superman-Prime is the "current" Supes, and he sundipped for 15,000 years with seemingly no problem, so...

😛

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah, it was a guesstimate. Although, if I wanted to be technical...853rd century Superman-Prime is the "current" Supes, and he sundipped for 15,000 years with seemingly no problem, so...

😛

if so, i certainly wouldn't say that's a good way to gauge the amount of time a 'standard' superman can dip 😉.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Electric fields generate magnetic fields. If you want, I can pull quotes from my Inquiry to Physics college-level textbook.

Electric fields do not perpetually generate magnetic fields.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Magneto is an omega-level mutant.

Superman wins.

Is he? I thought he was Alpha level?