Originally posted by Enyalus
Electric fields generate magnetic fields. If you want, I can pull quotes from my Inquiry to Physics college-level textbook.
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I know electric fields can and do generate magnetic fields, but there's no proof that Supes bio aura even generates magnetic fields and since an electric field doesn't automatically precede a magnetic field, we can't assume Mag can pull or push Supes using his bio aura.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Electric fields do not perpetually generate magnetic fields.
Originally posted by Allankles
closedeyesI know electric fields can and do generate magnetic fields, but there's no proof that Supes bio aura even generates magnetic fields and since an electric field doesn't automatically precede a magnetic field, we can't assume Mag can pull or push Supes using his bio aura.
"Electric charges produce electric fields in the space around them. An electric field, regardless of its origin, causes a force on any charged object placed in it. Magnets produce magnetic fields in the space around them. A magnetic field, regardless of its origin, causes forces on the poles of any magnet placed in it." p. 295
"A moving electric charge produces a magnetic field in the space around it. An electric current produces a magnetic field around it....A magnetic field exerts a force on a moving electric charge....Since electrons in atoms are charged particles in motion about the nucleus, they produce magnetic fields...A moving magnet produces an electrical field in the space around it." p. 298-9
"An electric current or a changing electric field induces a magnetic field. A changing magnetic field induces an electric field. Definition of Electromagnetic wave: A transverse wave consisting of a combination of oscillating electric and magnetic fields....The electric field switches back and forth in direction while its strength varies accordingly. This oscillating electric field will induce an oscillating magnetic field in the space around it. But the oscillating magnetic field will then induce an oscillating electric field. This will then induce an oscillating magnetic field and so on in an endless "loop." The principles of electromagnetism tell us that a continuous succession of oscillating magnetic and electric fields will be produced. These fields travel as a wave, an EM wave." p. 302, 308.
All taken from Inquiry into Physics, sixth edition, by Vern Ostdiek and Donald Bord.
So yes, Supes' bioelectric aura is fair game and easy pickings for Magneto to manipulate at his leisure. And if he doesn't want to, he can also repell the iron in his blood and fling him miles away as "Joseph" did to Quicksilver during the Onslaught saga...
Plenty of ways for him to win at tug o' war via cheating and subtle manipulations.
Originally posted by Enyalus
"Electric charges produce electric fields in the space around them. An electric field, regardless of its origin, causes a force on any charged object placed in it. Magnets produce magnetic fields in the space around them. A magnetic field, regardless of its origin, causes forces on the poles of any magnet placed in it." p. 295"A moving electric charge produces a magnetic field in the space around it. An electric current produces a magnetic field around it....A magnetic field exerts a force on a moving electric charge....Since electrons in atoms are charged particles in motion about the nucleus, they produce magnetic fields...A moving magnet produces an electrical field in the space around it." p. 298-9
"An electric current or a changing electric field induces a magnetic field. A changing magnetic field induces an electric field. Definition of Electromagnetic wave: A transverse wave consisting of a combination of oscillating electric and magnetic fields....The electric field switches back and forth in direction while its strength varies accordingly. This oscillating electric field will induce an oscillating magnetic field in the space around it. But the oscillating magnetic field will then induce an oscillating electric field. This will then induce an oscillating magnetic field and so on in an endless "loop." The principles of electromagnetism tell us that a continuous succession of oscillating magnetic and electric fields will be produced. These fields travel as a wave, an EM wave." p. 302, 308.
All taken from Inquiry into Physics, sixth edition, by Vern Ostdiek and Donald Bord.
So yes, Supes' bioelectric aura is fair game and easy pickings for Magneto to manipulate at his leisure. And if he doesn't want to, he can also repell the iron in his blood and fling him miles away as "Joseph" did to Quicksilver during the Onslaught saga...
Plenty of ways for him to win at tug o' war via cheating and subtle manipulations.
There's no proof that Supes Bio aura can induce a magnetic field. An electric field by itself does not always precede a magnetic field.
There's no proof that Supes bio aura acts like an electric current or any type of oscillating electric field. And without proof that Supes bio aura has moving charges there is no proof that it can even generate magnetic fields for Magneto to manipulate.
And I doubt he can push or pull or even affect someone with Supes' strength and sub atomic density by manipulating the iron in his system in a tug of war.
In normal circumstances he could, but I doubt the electro magnetic force generated would be enough to affect him if he is working against it in a tug of war scenario.
Originally posted by Allankles
There's no proof that Supes Bio aura can induce a magnetic field. An electric field by itself does not always precede a magnetic field.There's no proof that Supes bio aura acts like an electric current or any type of oscillating electric field. And without proof that Supes bio aura has moving charges there is no proof that it can even generate magnetic fields for Magneto to manipulate.
And I doubt he can push or pull or even affect someone with Supes' strength and sub atomic density by manipulating the iron in his system in a tug of war.
In normal circumstances he could, but I doubt the electro magnetic force generated would be enough to affect him if he is working against it in a tug of war scenario.
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"Bioelectromagnetism (sometimes equated with bioelectricity) refers to the electrical, magnetic or electromagnetic fields produced by living cells, tissues or organisms. Examples include the cell membrane potential and the electric currents that flow in nerves and muscles, as a result of action potentials."
Source is here.
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Originally posted by Enyalus
...."Bioelectromagnetism (sometimes equated with bioelectricity) refers to the electrical, magnetic or electromagnetic fields produced by living cells, tissues or organisms. Examples include the cell membrane potential and the electric currents that flow in nerves and muscles, as a result of action potentials."
Source is here.
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As far as we know supes bio aura has an electric property. No proof that it has eloctromagnetic properties.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Dude. It's a bioelectric aura. Which means it generates electric fields and magnetic fields. And Magneto can manipulate both at a whim.
Dude there's no proof that this is the case with Supes Bio Aura, it could be psionically generated. Either way it behaves like a force field.
Maybe it is a closed electromagnetic matrix, which would mean Magneto would be unable to manipulate it anyway.
Originally posted by Allankles
Dude there's no proof that this is the case with Supes Bio Aura, it could be psionically generated. Either way it behaves like a force field.Maybe it is a closed electromagnetic matrix, which would mean Magneto would be unable to manipulate it anyway.
And psionic energy is generated from electrical firing synopses in the brain. Magneto has been shown to shut down telepaths and block psionic abilities. Look in his respect thread at the very least.
Originally posted by Enyalus
And psionic energy is generated from electrical firing synopses in the brain. Magneto has been shown to shut down telepaths and block psionic abilities. Look in his respect thread at the very least.
Ok. And if it is a closed electro magnetic matrix? Two fields moving against each other with a neutral "outer" aura? How can Mag manipulate particles with no charge? Not that there's any proof that the bio aura even gives off charged moving particles.
Originally posted by Allankles
Ok. And if it is a closed electro magnetic matrix? Two fields moving against each other with a neutral "outer" aura? How can Mag manipulate particles with no charge?
He's used the "bottle effect" before to siphon off The Phoenix's power. Which is based on that principle.
Originally posted by Allankles
Not that there's any proof that the bio aura even gives off charged moving particles.
You know when something doesn't have moving particles? When it's at absolute zero temperature. Everything else generates electric and magnetic fields.
Electric fields and Magnetic fields are distinctively different.
Their interrelatedness is expressed through electromagnetism, which only occurs with electric current.
Magnetism cannot exist without electricity because there are no magnetic monopoles(magnetic electrons), there is only electric charge.
Given this fact, just because Superman's aura is electric, it doesn't mean it has a magnetic field.
Storm probably could screw with it since she directly mentally stimulates electrons to make potential difference in thunderstorms.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Static has no magnetic field. 🙂
Static-electricity does. That's why your hair will stand up when encountering such an object - interactions between the magnetic fields.
Really, this is dumb. The object being lifted is made of metal. Magneto is going to be able to lift a shitload of it without breaking a sweat. And if it were tug of war and he wanted to cheat, he could easily screw with Supes' aura or repel the iron in his blood to fling him away.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Static-electricity does. That's why your hair will stand up when encountering such an object - interactions between the magnetic fields.Really, this is dumb. The object being lifted is made of metal. Magneto is going to be able to lift a shitload of it without breaking a sweat. And if it were tug of war and he wanted to cheat, he could easily screw with Supes' aura or repel the iron in his blood to fling him away.
Nope.
Your hair stands because of the potential difference of electrons.
