Raditz vs. Narutoverse

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is factually incorrect. Saiyans epitomize mental strength in a fight. They are all like Rock Lee. lol

Well, he probably wouldn't use memories that he didn't know about, so we know he would do the "physical" torture thing.

I disagree. But since I've already stated why, there's no need for me to go "nuh-uuuhh". lol

But den He would dodged it n'stuff. Den Itachi wood be like, "oh..like damn n'stuff."

Scans, or it didn't happen.

Yes, but it doesn't have to be the same way Kakashi was.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v45/c413/8.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v45/c413/9.html

Originally posted by Kento
When have saiyans ever used mental strength in a fight? Besides Gokou. Rock Lee, and Guy are also very susceptible to genjutsu.

Yes, but it doesn't have to be the same way Kakashi was.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v45/c413/8.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v45/c413/9.html

It looks almost exactly the same. Both are "physical" torture.

And, Killerbee recovered uber quick from that. So fast that Sasuke didn't have time to react, even with his uber speed.

This should further the point of the uber sharingan genjutsu being useless.

Of course, you or others will claim that Killerbee has special training to resist it, or something. Then, I call bullshit because we have no evidence that he ever encountered Itachi and never saw that eye technique before Sasuke.

Or I could say what I've been saying. All Sasuke did was use a paralyzing jutsu, hence Killer Bee said he can't move. And Sasuke then stopped the genjutsu, then Killer Bee having a demon to use as a partner was able to break the paralyzing genjutsu. Everything that won't happen to Radditz if Itachi used Tsukiyomi. It wouldn't be a simple paralyzation genjutsu.

Originally posted by Kento
Or I could say what I've been saying. All Sasuke did was use a paralyzing jutsu, hence Killer Bee said he can't move. And Sasuke then stopped the genjutsu, then Killer Bee having a demon to use as a partner was able to break the paralyzing genjutsu. Everything that won't happen to Radditz if Itachi used Tsukiyomi. It wouldn't be a simple paralyzation genjutsu.

Nah. I ain't buyin' that. He was using Tsukiyomi. There are plenty of reasons to believe that it was Tsukiyomi.

However, there are not reasons to believe it was a paralyzing genjutsu. Do any exist other than Tsukiyomi? (At that, it still isn't paralysis. It's more like debilitation.) They either pass out, or freeze.

Why did he recover so quickly when it was Tsukiyomi, though? I assume it was for his uber fighting strength. 🙂

Originally posted by Kento
Radditz doesn't need to move to shoot a blast from his palm that can destroy anything around for miles, he won't be able to hurt himself to break out but if he's hit with something that looks like it has him bound where he can't move or something yet he's still all real time, and he can charge a blast I seriously doubt he won't try to destroy anything around to break free of the attack since he won't know its all an illusion.

Elaborate.

How can Radditz break out of a Genjutsu?

Energy manipulation...

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Energy manipulation...

Care to explain?

Regarding Raditz being surprised by Goku and Piccolo being able to use compressed ki blasts, I think that was more surprise that they could do it at all at their power level, not that he'd never seen it before.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah. I ain't buyin' that. He was using Tsukiyomi. There are plenty of reasons to believe that it was Tsukiyomi.

However, there are not reasons to believe it was a paralyzing genjutsu. Do any exist other than Tsukiyomi? (At that, it still isn't paralysis. It's more like debilitation.) They either pass out, or freeze.

Why did he recover so quickly when it was Tsukiyomi, though? I assume it was for his uber fighting strength. 🙂

He just left him unable to move nothing else. So it was a paralyzing genjutsu be it done by Tsukiyomi or not. What do you mean do any exist other than Tsukiyomi?

He recovered because one it was broke so the illusion is over if it was tsukiyomi, and two because he had Hachibi as a partner to fufil the second way of breaking out of genjutsu. It had nothing to do with his chakra control or being powerful. It had to do with the fact their are two beings in one body. Killer Bee even say thats how he was able to do it.

Originally posted by Quincy
Elaborate.

How can Radditz break out of a Genjutsu?

Originally posted by Kento
All Sasuke did if it was Tsukiyomi was use it as a paralyzing genjutsu. He didn't do anything like Itachi has with it. He didn't even try to break Killer Bee's mind. Who knows if he can even use it like Itachi can.

Why would he need the Manyakgo Sharingan if it was just a regular jutsu? Why would is eye bleed if it were just regular?

TELL ME DEEZ TINGS OR EYE WILL EXPLODED!

Originally posted by Kento
He just left him unable to move nothing else. So it was a paralyzing genjutsu be it done by Tsukiyomi or not. What do you mean do any exist other than Tsukiyomi?

Well, he wasn't really not able to move as a split second later, he had a Bon Jovi recovery.

This tells me that really strong ninja (Speed, physical strength, chakra, etc.) can recover from the torture technique of the uber Tsukiyomi.

Raditz greatly outclasses all other ninja. So he would be like "wtf? That's it? Newbz." and then pew pew lasers time.

Originally posted by Kento
He recovered because one it was broke so the illusion is over if it was tsukiyomi, and two because he had Hachibi as a partner to fufil the second way of breaking out of genjutsu.

How do you know that second part? That is not shown.

Originally posted by Kento
It had nothing to do with his chakra control or being powerful.

How do you know? It wasn't shown.

K.

I'll make a deal.

I admitted my baseless assumption. Give me this point since I admitted my other. Then we'll be even. Deal? 😄

Originally posted by Kento
It had to do with the fact their are two beings in one body. Killer Bee even say thats how he was able to do it.

Damnit. Really?

Scans!

Originally posted by Kento
Never said he'd need to break out, he doesn't need to move to fire a beam of energy out of his hand that can destroy anything around. Which even in a genjutsu that has him tied up he could do. Don't really see how he can break out normally. A case could be made for the Z fighters sure as they can lower and raise their power but Radditz doesn't know how to. Just don't think an illusion that just makes him see stuff that isn't happening will really work at all if he can still just destroy the person doing it, and everybody else around.

K.

There was no torture at all.

I wouldn't doubt that the MS attack came from the need to survive just like Amaterasu came out without Sasuke doing it willingly. But that's just baseless assuming.

http://img02.tx.us.mangafox.com/store/manga/8/45-413.0/compressed/naruto_413_sleepyfans.15.jpg =P That good enough to prove Bee didn't get out on his own? But I'll let you say you won because he's powerful and not because he's got a beast inside him.

Originally posted by Kento
There was no torture at all.

I wouldn't doubt that the MS attack came from the need to survive just like Amaterasu came out without Sasuke doing it willingly. But that's just baseless assuming.

http://img02.tx.us.mangafox.com/store/manga/8/45-413.0/compressed/naruto_413_sleepyfans.15.jpg =P That good enough to prove Bee didn't get out on his own? But I'll let you say you won because he's powerful and not because he's got a beast inside him.

DAMNIT! 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

Pwned again by the sexy beast.

tsukiyomi fallowed soon after by amatarasu.

itachi could solo if raditz does to whole scouter thing in itachi's face.

Well..Itachi can't use both at once...He'd have to break Tsukiyomi to use Amaterasu, and if Tsukiyomi isn't enough to win then well he'd never get the chance to use Amaterasu. Then again somebody is just going to come in and say Amaterasu couldn't even burn Karin..

Originally posted by Kento
Well..Itachi can't use both at once...

Originally posted by Kento
Then again somebody is just going to come in and say Amaterasu couldn't even burn Karin..

meh, fire doesn't burn downwards, espeiceally at higher tempuratures. and it was only on her cloak for like 3 seconds.

but amatarasu would def get him if itachi sends it his way after getting hit with the most powerful genjutsu ever, and once the flames touch that precious tail....match point.

Ameretastsu can't even burn Karins akatsuki cloth. Raditz decapitates the whole Naruto verse in 10 minutes.

but it was able to vaporize the giant stomach of the firebreathing mountain toad....

k

Originally posted by psycho gundam
but it was able to vaporize the giant stomach of the firebreathing mountain toad....

k

Humans can breathe fire, it doesn't mean anything.

Ameratatsu is overrated. Raditz goes up in the atmosphere where no one in Naruto can reach and spams generic ki beams killing them instantly.

GG narutoverse

Was also able to nearly instantly vaporize the Sasuke's forbidden technique clone as it touched him before Itachi stopped it at it's head.

Originally posted by Peterlane
Humans can breathe fire, it doesn't mean anything.

i guess i have to kill my best friend to get that power, everyone else seems to have it.

Originally posted by Peterlane
Ameratatsu is overrated. Raditz goes up in the atmosphere where no one in Naruto can reach and spams generic ki beams killing them instantly.

GG narutoverse

or better yet, pein yanks his ass from the sky so itachi can bust out susano'o and seal him with the totsuka blade or even simpler hit him with amatarasu . 🙂

if those two dei from chackra usage to kill raditz, no big D.