No, it's more to do with the fact that it won't bother Raditz one bit, and it certainly isn't going to stop him.
Besides, getting speedblitzed before Shikamaru even thinks of using shadow bind is a very real danger for the ninja, not to mention Rasengan not having anywhere near the level of power needed to kill Raditz... it took a Special Beam Cannon with Goku holding him as a kicker to kill Raditz...
I've tried not to post in this thread due to dying of laughter every time I see it, but really. Raditza may be weak by DBZ standards, but by Naruto standards, he's more powerful than anyone can become. it took the combined efforts of Raditz saga DBZ Goku and Piccolo to beat him after being nailed by Gohan's surpirsing burst of power.
Originally posted by Robtard
It wouldn't affect him.
I would have to agree.
At first, I wanted to call B.S.
But I changed my mind.
Here's why:
To dispel a genjutsu, one only has to put enough chakra into their extremeties.
Warriors do this all the time with Ki blasts. They concentrate it at their hands and fire. It would be really hard, espeically if He's firing away, to trap him based on Naruto standards.
Also, there's the infinite logic fallacy. Saying that someone can cast genjutsu on anyone, no matter how strong, is a fallacy. There is a point that could be reached that genjutsu would be retarded to attempt.
This is like saying Susuno has infinite defense. Not so. There will be a limit.
However, I digress. HOW WOULD the genjutsu not work?
It would all depend on which kind of genjutsu used on Radditz on if it would effect him or even be a hindrance at all. Some just makes you see things that aren't there which is useless against a guy who can nuke everything for miles. Some paralyze the body, some screw with the brain. Paralyzing the body probably wouldn't work that well either as he could still nuke everything around. The kind like MS that screws with the mind would effect him greatly though. Radditz is just a brute, he's not one with a strong mind or with any great willpower. Just because he's got more power doesn't mean they can't break his mind.
Originally posted by dadudemonWhen Itachi used MS on Kakashi it was over in an instant. How would Radditz magically know how to break the genjutsu? You also assume escaping Itachi's tsukuyomi can be done in the same way as normal genjutsu when it's clearly different and above any normal ones seen in Naruto.
I would have to agree.At first, I wanted to call B.S.
But I changed my mind.
Here's why:
To dispel a genjutsu, one only has to put enough chakra into their extremeties.
Warriors do this all the time with Ki blasts. They concentrate it at their hands and fire. It would be really hard, espeically if He's firing away, to trap him based on Naruto standards.
Also, there's the infinite logic fallacy. Saying that someone can cast genjutsu on anyone, no matter how strong, is a fallacy. There is a point that could be reached that genjutsu would be retarded to attempt.
This is like saying Susuno has infinite defense. Not so. There will be a limit.
However, I digress. HOW WOULD the genjutsu not work?
From a viewers perspective Tsukuyomi is finished seconds after the victim looks in to his eyes leaving them mentally exhausted and no amount of speed or strength is going to save you from it.
Originally posted by Quincy
She resisted the strangling one right? I'm talking about the possession.
she resisted both. she was able to still move even when possessed which is why shikamaru was forced to use the shadow strangle. he wanted to end it quickly because tayuya was breaking out of the possession with sheer strength.
Originally posted by Magee
When Itachi used MS on Kakashi it was over in an instant. How would Radditz magically know how to break the genjutsu?
He would do it, accidentally. Just by firing ki blasts.
Also, doing that to Radditz wouldn't wear him out, it would only piss him off even more than ever. Radditz is a Saiyan and they'd fight for days on end if they had enough stamina to do so. They love fighting. Being tortured for 72 hours straight would drive Radditz insane with anger.
Originally posted by Magee
You also assume escaping Itachi's tsukuyomi can be done in the same way as normal genjutsu when it's clearly different and above any normal ones seen in Naruto.
Any Genjutsu ends, immediately, the instance Radditz fires a Ki blast.
Originally posted by Magee
From a viewers perspective Tsukuyomi is finished seconds after the victim looks in to his eyes leaving them mentally exhausted and no amount of speed or strength is going to save you from it.
Sure is. You first have to establish that Genjutsu works on foes as powerful as Radditz. No one in Naruto is that powerful, not even the 9-tailed fox. However, the 9-tailed fox is close.
If you can prove that it works on someone as powerful as the Bijuu, then you have a point.
Since we know it won't work on something like the Bijuu, we can also assume the same of Radditz, lest we comiit the infinite logic fallacy.
Again, however, I digress. It could very well work on him, but it's wasted as soon as he fires a Ki blast.
Originally posted by dadudemonBreaking genjutsu is controlling chakra not suddenly fluctuating it. The bijuu works because it does the second way to break out of genjutsu, using anothers chakra. And that's just basic genjutsu. And Radditz won't be firing ki blast anyway when everything is going on in his head. And MS breaks the person. Radditz isn't exactly known for a strong mind. It doesn't have to be 72 hours or torture. That was just what Itachi used on Kakashi. He used it to show Sasuke him killing the whole clan. Who knows what Sasuke did to that one guy to get Killer Bee's location. Being powerful doesn't stop the mind from being broken.
He would do it, accidentally. Just by firing ki blasts.
Also, doing that to Radditz wouldn't wear him out, it would only piss him off even more than ever. Radditz is a Saiyan and they'd fight for days on end if they had enough stamina to do so. They love fighting. Being tortured for 72 hours straight would drive Radditz insane with anger.Any Genjutsu ends, immediately, the instance Radditz fires a Ki blast.
Sure is. You first have to establish that Genjutsu works on foes as powerful as Radditz. No one in Naruto is that powerful, not even the 9-tailed fox. However, the 9-tailed fox is close.
If you can prove that it works on someone as powerful as the Bijuu, then you have a point.
Since we know it won't work on something like the Bijuu, we can also assume the same of Radditz, lest we comiit the infinite logic fallacy.
Again, however, I digress. It could very well work on him, but it's wasted as soon as he fires a Ki blast.
Sharingan does work on bijuu, at least Kyuubi. Who knows if Madara used genjutsu to control him or not as it is possible to use the sharingan to control. Itachi did this to a woman, and Shisui was able to manipulate people with his sharingan.
Originally posted by Kento
Breaking genjutsu is controlling chakra not suddenly fluctuating it.
So, how is concentrating a shit ton of ki energy in one's hands not controlling their energy?
Remember when Videl was learning how to control it?
It took lots of effort.
It was days before Videl, a martial arts prodigy, could gather enough energy to make it visible.
Just because other characters do it with ease, doesn't mean it is weak auce.
Originally posted by Kento
The bijuu works because it does the second way to break out of genjutsu, using anothers chakra. And that's just basic genjutsu. And Radditz won't be firing ki blast anyway when everything is going on in his head. And MS breaks the person. Radditz isn't exactly known for a strong mind. It doesn't have to be 72 hours or torture. That was just what Itachi used on Kakashi. He used it to show Sasuke him killing the whole clan. Who knows what Sasuke did to that one guy to get Killer Bee's location. Being powerful doesn't stop the mind from being broken.Sharingan does work on bijuu, at least Kyuubi. Who knows if Madara used genjutsu to control him or not as it is possible to use the sharingan to control. Itachi did this to a woman, and Shisui was able to manipulate people with his sharingan.
Indeed. Who knows.
I'm sticking with an easy "wipe the floor clean" victory, though.
If Radditz was sent to Naruto Earth to clear it of pesky vermin, he wouldn't waste time in doing so.
Originally posted by dadudemonRadditz is not doing any thing once he is trapped in Itachi's tsukuyomi, he has no control over his body as his mind is some where else. You are making the claim that simply firing off ki blasts is going to break his genjutsu and you have nothing to back this up. It is nothing like the two ways we know of dispelling genjutsu. However lets just assume he does know how and that he is also able to then my first point still stands, once in Itachi's MS world he can not control his body so it does'nt matter and it's up for debate wether you can actually break out of Tsukuyomi in the same way as normal genjutsu since it's never actually been done.
He would do it, accidentally. Just by firing ki blasts.
Also, doing that to Radditz wouldn't wear him out, it would only piss him off even more than ever. Radditz is a Saiyan and they'd fight for days on end if they had enough stamina to do so. They love fighting. Being tortured for 72 hours straight would drive Radditz insane with anger.
Originally posted by dadudemonWhich he won't be able to do while trapped in Itachi's illusion.
Any Genjutsu ends, immediately, the instance Radditz fires a Ki blasts.
Originally posted by dadudemonTo many assumptions here based on nothing. Madara could control the nine tails using the sharingan, Sasuke used genjutsu on Killerbee. There is nothing that suggests an abundance of raw power gives any sort of defence against genjutsu unless of course you have proof?
Sure is. You first have to establish that Genjutsu works on foes as powerful as Radditz. No one in Naruto is that powerful, not even the 9-tailed fox. However, the 9-tailed fox is close.If you can prove that it works on someone as powerful as the Bijuu, then you have a point.
Since we know it won't work on something like the Bijuu, we can also assume the same of Radditz, lest we comiit the infinite logic fallacy.
Originally posted by dadudemonAlready been established this won't work. The victim becomes paralyzed, they have no control over there body in the 'real world' while trapped in Tsukuyomi.
Again, however, I digress. It could very well work on him, but it's wasted as soon as he fires a Ki blast.