Originally posted by id369
This is the last you could hope for. Anyhow, you bitched its expected. You cried, pft you still are. Now comes acceptance. Because the current Cog has no full blown hell powers, as it clearly demonstrated in the comic book itself. If so, I would not need to accesses the Black Tower to accesses the Crown.On the scale of 1-10; 10 being the highest. How pissed are you going to be one you find out you lost this match? 12..13?
actually, i couldn't care less if we lose this match. we are IN the playoffs. 😄
and you've done a GREAT job of refuting my questions. 😂
did you draft the current king of hell for 15pts? ✅
no full-blown powers, eh? so . . . how exactly did he strip spawn of his symbiote again? and out of curiosity, how many times has he appeared in books since stripping spawn of his powers then claiming the throne so that you could have developed this insightful impression about the character?
perhaps you could show us how 'powerless' all the previous kings of hell were? that might help. funny to think that batman could stroll into hell, beat up its king and find the crown lying around and declare himself king. and good thing those greater demons are so nice and forgiving and willing to let a powerless king lord over them and command them.
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the really weird thing about all this (going back to your idiocy about meanstreak which was ALSO proven to be assinine . . .) is that you were at one point respected by me and many around here. emphasis on WERE.
you tried something. it failed. miserably. you were busted for it and yet instead of taking the opportunity to make . . . ANY sort of amends, you cling to it like we're all idiots and petulantly act as though you did nothing wrong.
take the match m'man. seriously. if you need it as desperately as you clearly do it's all yours, with my compliments on the entertainment. and way to use this format to make yourself look good. 😄 👆
Actually the evidence that proves Cog is powerless in hell has bin presented. The only evidence you wish to point out are when Cog applied the power of Crown.
Otherwise, no he locked the base and secured the crown. He is last seen with out wearing the crown in his Base. The entire point was to accesses the base to attain the Crown.
Now the claims fall heavy on your evidence for you present.
And best wishes to you and this tournament.
Originally posted by id369
Actually the evidence that proves Cog is powerless in hell has bin presented. The only evidence you wish to point out are when Cog applied the power of Crown.Otherwise, no he locked the base and secured the crown. He is last seen with out wearing the crown in his Base. The entire point was to accesses the base to attain the Crown.
Now the claims fall heavy on your evidence for you present.
And best wishes to you and this tournament.
id--if he is so powerless as you say, PLEASE explain how he depowered spawn so easily? and please show me that it is actually the CROWN that grants the power, as opposed to the LORDSHIP THE CROWN REPRESENTS? he STILL sits the throne. that means he is STILL the king, and CLEARLY he has the powers that come with the title.
i'll go out and apologize for losing my cool, but seriously, this ploy just . . . makes no sense.
are you denying that he is currently commanding all the armies to work for him and build his tower?
you SAY he has no powers as king--that is ridiculous id. how would he stay LORD of hell with no powers?? how can i prove these powers (beyond showing what he did to spawn which you never even tried to refute) when he's had no APPEARANCES since aside from it being told to us that he is building his tower to apparently assault HEAVEN.
dude--you drafted the king of hell for 15pts and you thought it was gonna be all right? 🙁
Dude you have the Queen of hell for 20 points?!?! And my character does less.
The only way, Cog did what did was through the crown. No body knows why he is building the tower, but why would he need some one to build the tower, if he has the magical powers as you claim.
Do you have any other piece of evidence, where Cog applied his power with or with out the Crown?
Originally posted by leonidas
take the match m'man. seriously. if you need it as desperately as you clearly do it's all yours, with my compliments on the entertainment. and way to use this format to make yourself look good. 😄 👆
Quiet you!
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With no KoH powers to draw from, Spawn is unpleasantly surprised when Tehchno teleports right in front of him, blasts him in his "hellspawns" with a leg that just turned into the biggest f**king repulsor cannon you've ever seen, then proceeds to hack off Spawn's limbs and impale him with the Soul-Sword.
As Cable watches this in awe the other 2 Iron Guys melt his brain with ultrasonic attacks ... then kick him while he's down, Techno tackles the OMAC, knocks it out with repuslors and Hulk KOing strength feats (see early Iron Man comics*) then proceeds to plug in and download all interesting techy info from the cyborg.
Um ... If Id has anyone else (to know I'd have to wade through his prep ... so I doubt I'll find out anytime soon) then we dogpile them with the full variety of Iron Man's historical weapons*.
Oh yeah, don't forget that we're doing all this at tourney capped speed thanks to our power approximating ability we assimilated from Weapon X (Kane) during prep.
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*Scoob can't be bothered searching for scans right now.
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Originally posted by id369
Dude you have the Queen of hell for 20 points?!?! And my character does less.The only way, Cog did what did was through the crown. No body knows why he is building the tower, but why would he need some one to build the tower, if he has the magical powers as you claim.
Do you have any other piece of evidence, where Cog applied his power with or with out the Crown?
you know it's impossible to provide you with scans because he hasn't appeared since.
and how does he command the armies of hell WITH OUT POWERS??
you say his power came strictly from the crown--as opposed to his new STATION as king of hell. so, let me get this straight--with the crown on he has all these uber powers--enough to instantly depower spawn, take control of all the armies, command them to do his bidding. and so the first thing he does with it is . . . take it off and lock it up, thus forefitting the power he has look for since the day he became the world's first murderer? but, the armies decide to follow his orders any just . . . because? seriously id. i KNOW you don't believe any of that. it is SO illogical as to be silly.
and illyana is NOT the current ruler of limbo and she is powerless on earth. if delph set limbo as a battlefield, i'm guessing we wouldn't be able to use her (though even in limbo her powers have been shown to be LESS than spectacular . . .)
(and well done scoob. 😄 use the scans of the soulsword i sent you just to show it doesn't matter what level he is anyway . . . 😉 )
Originally posted by leonidas
use the scans of the soulsword i sent you just to show it doesn't matter what level he is anyway . . . 😉 )
I wouldn't want to paraphrase you ... so here you go:
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leonidas wrote on Nov 16th, 2008 08:17 PM:in the first scan, amanda sefton comes across a powerful arch-demon from "the pit".
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=demon1ms5.jpg
the demon gave her a good run for her money until she landed with the soulsword . . .
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=soulsword1cz2.jpg
killing an arch-demon is pretty impressive, but it pales in comparison to this next feat which clearly shows the true potential of the blade. in this series, a powerful magical creature called the archenemy has CRUSHED the most powerful lords of the splinted realms and their kingdoms--those lords include DORMAMMU, SURTUR and MEPHISTO! the archenemy EASILY defeteated each AND completely took over their domains.
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=realmsfallenrl2.jpg
now, it turned out the archenemy was actually a FUTURE synthesis of tech and magic that was born from an enormous database of magic that amanda had begun putting together. with all the magical knowledge that was known in one place, it sort of took on a life of its own in the future. the archenemy returned to the past to try and protect its birth. all the lords of the splinter realms came together in limbo to battle it one final time. amanda discovered what it was and for the first time it took on a physical form and faced the lords directly. amanda sent nightcrawler to attack the orginal computer data from which it was born, and his attack gave amanda the only opening she AND HER SOULSWORD needed:
http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=enemydestroyed1lw7.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=enemydestroyed2gv3.jpg
it was said that after she destroyed the archenemy--ALONE--limbo itself burned for weeks in the aftermath.
WE HAVE THE MOST POWERFUL MAGICAL WEAPON IN THIS TOURNAMENT, AND IF IT COULD DO THAT TO A BEING THAT DWARFED DORMAMMU AND MEPHISTO IN POWER, IMAGINE WHAT IT COULD DO TO SPAWN OR ANY OF THE MINOR MAGIC HE MIGHT CALL UPON . . .
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*sigh* Affirmation of the Throne and Crown.
How many times had the Hell Spawn said the word with out forming a picture in his mind?
For so long he rejected the idea of it, and perhaps in doing so had failed to conceive its possibility.
Perhaps he thought in passing that it would be feeble thing. A Rusted Bench with mold and Rot?
But this? This was beyond his imagination. This was the Throne.
This is where the Hell Spawn Belongs.
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Affirmation of the Throne, that resides in the Tower.
The New King has given control to the major demons, while he shuts himself away, building his tower. He has not stepped foot in his kingdom since he stole the Throne.
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn140page22lb6.jpg
And there is Cog in the Tower.
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn141image05dl0.jpg
I am serious this is it. I showed how Cog himself is powerless, yet he has accesses to the black tower. In which where the Throne resides. This will piss of a few, and if so. Well we have a saying in Spanish.
Si estas enojado, ni como ayudar.
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Using the vast powers that Spawn commands. I will obliterate their souls from existence.
As for the Soul Sword. Yeah we expected them to make extravagant feats done by Amanda. However there is a certain learning curve in using the Soul Sword. Which comes back to Amanda’s feat. They belong to Amanda, not Illyana who is the inferior of the two.
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mysticarcana01magik19hi1.jpg
You guys drafted Illyana
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all right, i'll make this quick then i'm requesting a ruling on the issue and we'll go from there.
you have just affirmed you DID draft the king of hell for 15pts. 😐
you DID affirm he sits the throne, controls the armies, GRANTED power to demons. yet you claim that because he took the crown off he is 'powerless' despite those very CLEAR inferential displays of power. you claim that all power came from the crown (which he willingly removed, thereby willingly FOREFITTING all the power he fought for 1000s of years to attain . . .) but NOWHERE in any of those scans do we see evidence that the king's power stem from the crown alone as opposed to his station.
beyond that, there is now the issue that everyone was concerned with from the start--as king, the crown IS HIS STANDARD EQUIPMENT. whether he is actully WEARING it or not is irrelevent. it is EXACTLY analogous to drafting tony for 5pts then taking his armor (or more accurately then allowing alfred to wear his armor--also illegal.)
the plan fails on so many fronts i cannot actually believe this isn't been ruled on already. every participant in the tourney SEES it is illegal. you supplied all the evidence yourself in the above scans--he IS king. he DOES sit the throne. the crown IS his, whetehr he is actually WEARING it or not.
it's illegal id, and sneaking in the king of hell for 15pts was just . . . shrug
I drafted the character not the base. The current Cog is not worth past 15 points, for reasons previously stated, and shown. That we have accesses to his base, is an entirely different and moot point.
You go on and on how I just drafted the King of Hell, status means nothing if my character is powerless in it of himself. Yet you have the Queen of Limbo for 20 points. Why is the ruler of Limbo, who has accesses to the so called “Most Powerful”, item in the tournament worth only 20 points….despite the soul sword being a standard item? Am I the only one that spots these contradicting and hypocritical claims here?
Now you are trying to make a case, of Cog granting control of Hell to the greater Demons, thus forfeited its power. Irrelevant such claims are not shown in the comic. Who ever governs the Throne, governs Hell. It matters not if other Demons control Hell. The Throne is secured, in Cog Base. As easily as he granted them control, it can be removed. Come on Leo, get smart.
And finally, yes Cog can only accesses those luxurious powers within the throne. The Throne Holds the Crown (the crown is clearly depicted above the throne). I showed you this…are you denying the comic book fact? And these are secured in the Base. Don’t you understand? Cog needed to steal the throne and secure it because he is not the rightful heir. The powers are granted to those who destroy the current ruler. Not to those who steal the throne, that is why he needs to externally accesses those powers. That is why he has only bin seen, using vast magical powers when he wore the Crown. Otherwise, your statements fall heavy under a burden of facts, you fail to show.
We only made use of items, that are stated to be in the base. To the best of my knowledge, I went through the proper channels to make sure I didn’t violate anything. And from the looks of things, your best bet is to continue to hit us with rule violations that I believe, I have properly contested.
all right, so king spawn has finally been ruled illegal for ninternalizing the crown and using its power.
with that, they have standard spawn, a powerless cable/cog combo and an omac merged with sage. spawn has no chance against our speed and the sword (which would likely ohko him), and a lone omac has no chance against our full team.
so yeah, we crush him. 🙂
