Originally posted by Scoobless
So he never had the base without having the crown as his standard equipment.This is exactly the same as when you tried to use Classic Cable with current (or close to current) Cable's feats/base/tech.
Scoob, I am arguing the Crown is base equipment not Standard equipment.
As for Classic Cable rule out, that was an unprecedented error in my part. I did not know changes where implemented over the curse of tournament discussion. That topic gets buried over, more stuff that goes along. I only kept track of the rule set, which at the time did not have the new rule implicated.
Originally posted by id369
Scoob, I am arguing the Crown is base equipment not Standard equipment.
And I'm arguing that without drafting a fully powered king of Hell, you wouldn't have access to the base where the equipment resides.
As you drafted a powerless character, there is no way you can call him King of Hell and no way he could have access to the tower or the crown.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Sorry if it has already been said man (I skipped a few posts) but I still gotta represent my side of the debate.
it's exactly the same thing i've been saying, scoob. his counter is that even as king he is powerless and that even as king he should still only be worth 15pts.
but again--he LET others rule for him. and in that panel i mentioned, it seems they still suffer HIS judgements, are subject to HIS authority. clear indications of his POWER. IMO.
but one thing made me curious id--you said you showed how kings of hell can be powerless on earth. you also said any changes made are permanent. why would one king of hell be powerless on earth, yet another retain power? (i think you are referencing the crown's power lasting on earth when he depowered spawn, but i could be mistaken in regards to whether that is what you are referencing . . .)
It may be more of a case of what constitutes a prep base.
When holding Iron Man no team was allowed SHIELD HQ as it was only a very recent base and by no means his "classic" base of operations.
Same with Marvel Boy, he had to use the plex ship, not his status as lord of the cube (or whatever he called himself)
In fact this is the only character who we are being told might have access to a short term recent-story-arc-only base.
The precedents against it are mounting up, to give you this base now would overturn a lot of decisions from other matches.
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If you are going to make accusations or claims. At least try to get your facts strait. The Base was acquired on issue #120, on the year 2002. It has bin his base ever since. 66 issues later, its still his on going base. Not a recent arc/turn as you make it out to be.
It makes no difference if he is the only person to accesses HIS base, simply because its HIS base of operation.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Standard equipment is something that is routinely used in a character's history. For example, Captain America's shield, Ironman's armor, Batman's batarangs, smoke pellets and utility belt, Punisher's guns, Deathstroke's staff, etc.Specialty items wouldn't be considered standard equipment. For an example, if in a particular story Hawkeye was depicted as acquiring and using a special anti-Hulk gamma arrow, but he was not depicted as using that item in any other story before or since, it wouldn't be considered "standard equipment", though he was depicted as having access to it, or if Brainiac had an invention that he created and a storyline was made which depicts him testing said item and going on an adventure with the LoSH because of it's effects, that item would not be considered "standard equipment" simply because of it's use.
Additionally, if the tower was considered his prep area, then the crown is a base item. As per Delph's discussion of the theoretical "anti-hulk arrow", equipment is not considered standard if it is not used on a day-to-day basis, and had the majority of appearances before and after without it's use, even if the character still has access to it at his base.
Based on this ruling, we literally know that the crown is legal. The way this is worded, the crown is the very DEFINITION of a base item that is not standard equip.
Sorry for the spam. It needed posted. I can't watch this discussion without hearing the music play through my head.
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Originally posted by leonidas
except he's only appeared . . . 2 times since, and both were very very brief appearances. beyond that, given that he is in the tower and seems to consider himself and his title safe, there is no real reason to even WEAR it. be like stark hanging out at home in his armor.
but even if you're technically right, in this case everyone would still call stark IRONMAN like we call him king cog. even if he he wore the armor once then we saw him for 2 panels over the next couple issues, with a name like IRONMAN we could safely say the armor was standard . . .
and . . . wasn't the ruling supposed to be posted last night? 😕
did i miss it?